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  • #314380
    Jnevel
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    I am all for a little more balance. The system today is dramatically out of balance. Some teams have a strategic advantage over others and not just in a slight way or even a significant way. Some have monumentally more assets than others. I’m not sure a cap solves that issue. A floor probably does help, but doesn’t address the disparity issue. There probably does need to be some better profit sharing, but also some structure around what owners need to spend to retain ownership. As with most problems, both parties are part of the problem. Hopefully they find a good solution for the fans, but that may be too much to expect.

    #314381
    blingboy
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    The fan experience matters only so far as it affects the revenue, the size of the pie. “How can we maximize the take.” IMO, the owners market research will tell them that fans will pay exhorbitantly for the exixting product. So it doesn’t make any sense to shift any money from profit to improving the product.

    #314387
    gscottar
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    The system is out of balance in regards to revenues per team but it is also out of balance in regards to brains per team. It just so happens that the Dodgers have both. Of course, as Rosenthal noted, the actual standings tell a different tale than the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth we hear.

    #314389
    bicyclemike
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    When Pete Rozelle became NFL commissioner, he changed the league’s mindset from one of 14 organizations each looking out for themselves, to an NFL organization looking out for what’s best for the league. A weak link hurt everyone.

    I think MLB needs to lean a little more that way – close some of the revenue disparities.

    There will always be better run organizations, but some movement to where any team at least has a shot at acquiring a big name star if they choose would be a better system IMHO.

    It’s a compromise, which means neither side gets everything they want, but you look at the big picture.

    #314497
    Brian Walton
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    They sure don’t sound very close.

    #314498
    Marilyn Green
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    Oh I think there will be a lockout come December and quite likely a big chunk of the season will be lost.

    It doesn’t appear the owners have learned any lesson at all from 1994-95.

    Greed has no ceiling.

    #315029
    Brian Walton
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    Latest from an oddsmaker.

    Will MLB/MLBPA enter a labor stoppage (lockout/strike) before or during 2027 season?
    Yes -1000
    No +550

    How many games will be played during 2027 MLB regular season?
    Over/Under 99.5 games

    Will the 2027 MLB All-Star Game be canceled or postponed?
    Yes -200
    No +150

    Will the 2027 World Series be played?
    Yes -2000
    No +700

    Which core issue will be the final roadblock resolved in the 2027 CBA agreement?
    Competitive Balance Tax (CBT) Thresholds/Rates +150
    Revenue Sharing Percentages +200
    Service Time Manipulation / Arbitration Eligibility +400
    Salary Floor Implementation +500

    https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/mlb-specials/specials

    #315034
    AlbertTheMachine
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    What type of person is betting in general, let alone on baseball, and then specifically random stuff like this?

    I’ve never understood betting as the system is designed for you to lose more than you win (otherwise the organizers would go broke). Seems like people like throwing their money away

    #315036
    Brian Walton
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    I understand, ATM. I am not condoning placing bets and I don’t do it personally. I share betting lines for only one reason. To me, that the oddsmakers believe that there is roughly equal financial support of a view that MLB may play 99 or 100 games next season, for example, is interesting to me and more credible than if I said it off the cuff with nothing but opinion backing it up.

    #315039
    blingboy
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    Just the other day a guy on the next bar stool was saying all the dumb money camouflages what the smart money is doing.

    #315041
    Brian Walton
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    If there is too much money placed on one side, the oddsmaker shifts the line so the bets return to balance. As they say, “The house always wins.”

    #315065
    1toughdominican
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    Or they trade off the heavy side to another handicapper. In any case, all oddsmakers worth their salt care not about the outcome of the contest and rake in the vigorish while they sleep. In addition, anyone who fails to pay up on “settle up day” will eventually receive an unpleasant visit from a guy called, “Tiny”…The unbridled ability to collect has always been paramount in the wagering business.

    #315771
    Brian Walton
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    #315780
    blingboy
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    The CBA drama last time generated some talk about the anti-trust exemption. Didn’t get any traction then.

    #315787
    gscottar
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    I agree that there is almost zero chance of a salary cap being implemented which is why it is so frustrating to think that the game could be shut down over an issue that is not going to happen. Is this just tough negotiating by Manfred and the owners or do they just not know how to read the room? I would not assume it is the former.

    I also believe this is why Ken Rosenthal keeps penning articles about the anti-Dodger hysteria. It isn’t that he loves the Dodgers or is a Dodger shill. It is that it really irritates him that the Manfred and owners are using the Dodgers as an excuse to get what they want, which is to suppress expenses to build up team values. And they are willing to shut the game to do it, even though it would be a massive PR blow to the game.

    What is really frustrating is that there are tools in place to deal with the revenue disparity issue without resorting to a hard cap. They just need to be implemented.

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 3 days ago by gscottar.
    #315792
    Brian Walton
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    These issues could be solved with the help of professional arbitration, but with so much money at stake, the owners would never agree to giving up control.

    #315793
    Brian Walton
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    I hesitate to bring up more Dodgers discussion but I re-read the Ken Rosenthal “anti-Dodger hysteria” piece because I remember its focus differently from you. While he did mention the broader labor issue, that was almost an aside. The vast majority of the content in his article defended the Dodgers and their actions.

    His closing sentence was this:

    “The Dodgers are good at this. Better than everyone else.”

    This is why Rosenthal was ripped by fans of the other 29 teams. The Skubal trade brought it to a head.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7486126/2026/08/02/tarik-skubal-dodgers-trade-reaction-mlb-lockout/

    #315797
    gscottar
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    I was referring to the paragraph below. I have also heard him say similar things on his online video shows. It is my opinion that he thinks Manfred and MLB are using one team to try to influence popular opinion in favor of an issue that they would like to implement.

    The sport’s economic system needs addressing, no doubt. Not necessarily with a salary cap — a demand by the owners that threatens to wipe out part or all of the 2027 season — but with other ways that help benefit the small markets and allow the sport to continue its renaissance.

    #316008
    Brian Walton
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    Signs of trouble in Dodgerland? Not for making $2B on a one-year investment. The other part.

    #316014
    mudville
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    I’d be willing to not play in 2027. Then declare an impasse. Then the two sides can develop and settle on a new fiscal arrangement. I love the idea of a salary ceiling and a salary floor. Get the cost of going to a ballgame way down. Give every team a real chance to make big money. Spread the ticket sales income around more evenly to all players.

    There’s got to be a way to end the fiscal insanity.

    #316021
    AlbertTheMachine
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    Mud, I can say with very high confidence that even if there was a salary floor, it won’t make games cheaper to attend. The owners and players aren’t willing to give up $ and instead are pushing for each side to have a larger slice of the pie.

    #316032
    gscottar
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    I view it completely opposite mud. I am not necessarily opposed to a salary cap although I don’t think it will be the panacea everyone seems to think it will be. But I am 100% opposed to a work stoppage. It is unnecessary. MLB already has a soft cap in the CBT. It needs to be strenghthened instead of blowing everything up with dynamite.

    • This reply was modified 1 week ago by gscottar.
    #316035
    Brian Walton
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    There is history here. The trenches have been dug in the same places as before. Owners demand a cap. Players say never. How long will it take for either to budge?

    As I speculated on the podcast, I wonder if this overriding issue will keep them from negotiating on the many other issues that must also be resolved. I’d feel a lot better if there was any positive news, even on relatively minor matters.

    #316041
    mudville
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    My suggestion is beyond unrealistic, if implemented, it would be catastrophically destructive. You cannot shut down a trillion dollar industry, and then turn it all back on again when ready.

    But every possibility should at least be considered. The current system is, above all else, simply not fair to anyone including players, team ownership, and fans.

    A floor would consist of designated revenue such as ticket sales, advertising revenue, or whatever, from each ball club. The revenue would be combined, then divided up and distributed to each of the 30 MLB teams. The floor would require that all of the money contributed above the floor be spent on players’ salaries.

    A ceiling would determine how much each ball club would be allowed to spend. A ceiling would make it nearly impossible to overspend on a few players and still have a viable roster. The details would need to be negotiated.

    There are many other possibilities, no doubt.

    #316056
    Brian Walton
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    I doubt he walk away from the $$$, but it is interesting nonetheless.

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