January 27, 2020 at 10:55 am #120730
What could go wrong?
New for the 2020 MLB season: Much like NFL referees have done for years, umpires will be mic’d up and tell fans in attendance and those watching on television and listening on radio if reviewed calls are upheld or overturned. They may also explain rules, if necessary.
— Pedro Gomez (@pedrogomezESPN) January 27, 2020January 27, 2020 at 11:02 am #1207311964cardsParticipantPaid - Annual
😳January 28, 2020 at 8:48 am #120810gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
There is a growing belief amongst NL GM’s that the DH will be instituted for NL as early as 2021. FWIW.
— Jim Bowden (@JimBowdenGM) January 27, 2020January 28, 2020 at 9:01 am #120813stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
While Bowden isn’t the most reliable source, it does seem that the momentum has been heading that way for a while. It might benefit the Cards as it will give guys like Carp, Goldy (in a few years), Montero, etc a landing spot.January 28, 2020 at 9:04 am #120816gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
I think it will benefit the Cards as well but I am curious as to how it will be implemented before the current CBA expires. There would have to be some kind of agreement between the players and owners. That seems dubious.January 28, 2020 at 9:08 am #120819
The addition of the 26th man this year was step 1, in my guesstimation. What more do the owners have to give to make the DH work? What more do the players gain? Roster sizes are the same either way.
I am not sure that the DH will benefit any one team more than any other, but we may see soon enough. It is not like the Cards have excess offense bottled up on the bench… 😉
P.S. Mo talked about this last week at WWU and acknowledged that the DH was getting closer.
P.S. #2 I also asked Shildt if the 13-13 roster makeup requirement is firm, and he said, “Yes, I think so.” But he also acknowledged he hadn’t seen anything official from MLB about it.
January 28, 2020 at 10:16 am #120830thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by Brian Walton.
i really hate the DH…. but i hate more is the constant debate about when it is coming…which i have participated in…and i am sick of it.
if it is going to happen, present the plan and begin the implementation…get it over with
I love the game without, i think it will be far more harmful to the game than electronics or speed of play… BUT if it is happening then just do it so i can start healing and getting used to itJanuary 29, 2020 at 7:30 pm #121017
The official 13-13 decision has finally been made!
MLB has told teams contemplating possible 26-man rosters for this season that the max number of pitchers per team has been set at 13.
That's been the assumption in front offices, but that's now a firm number
The message: You can carry an extra player – just not another reliever
— Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) January 29, 2020January 29, 2020 at 7:40 pm #121018Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
is the rule to add a player for paternity leaves and double headers still in effect?January 29, 2020 at 8:25 pm #121023
C27, yes it is.January 29, 2020 at 10:13 pm #121034CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
Is the roster minimum still 24? Did it go up to 25? Or is 26 now required.
Just a curiosity since teams have always kept the max.
January 29, 2020 at 11:29 pm #121038
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by CariocaCardinal.
The increase of one includes minimum roster size.January 30, 2020 at 7:37 pm #121087
As many know I am a former skeptic of DH baseball, who has come to enjoy the game either way, and actually like the DH. It seems a natural progression towards specialization – the offensive counterpart to “designated pitchers”.
I like keeping the pitchers at a maximum of 13. With the one inning rule, there should be a little less need to carry a bunch of relievers, but there will still be plenty of opportunities for a guy to work to only one or two hitters.
The one-inning rule is really going to make managers think. Say your starter has been sailing along through six, then walks a guy and the next guy doubles, in a close game. Who do you bring in knowing the guy needs to finish the inning? You can’t just throw a guy out there thinking “if this guy does not have it, I will go with the other guy”.
Now one thing that will happen a few times is a guy will not have it, and by the end of the inning the game will have gotten totally out of hand. Fans are going to be screaming loud and long when that happens.
I won’t be surprised if the one-inning rule ends up going the way of prohibition after a season or two.
January 30, 2020 at 7:43 pm #121089stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
- This reply was modified 8 months ago by bicyclemike.
BikeMike, it’s a three batter rule if I’m interpreting it right. The pitcher may finish the inning or pitch to three batters, whichever comes first.January 30, 2020 at 7:45 pm #121090
Oh, and on the pace of play, the only thing MLB needs to do is get back to the time when batters stayed in the box between pitches. It used to be guys would step out on occasion, but most of the time just stay in the box waiting for the pitcher.
These days guys step out between every pitch. Might need to make a rule of “no more than one step-out per AB, aside from issues such as wind, injury and that sort of thing.”February 13, 2020 at 12:06 am #122276
The three batter minimum rule for pitchers will not go into effect until the spring training games on Thursday, March 12.February 13, 2020 at 7:17 am #122281Minuteman3ParticipantFree
Interesting thing on the rules changes is that the newest was not announced until yesterday – the manager now has only 20 seconds to challenge rather than 30. I suspect this will be like the batter stay in the box rule – ignored somewhat on the time up to a point. They were taking longer than 30 seconds many times because it took that long for the video room to get word back to them. But if they stick to 20 seconds you will see some arguments and a lot less reviews. Don’t understand this rule change.February 15, 2020 at 8:43 pm #122554
Great clarification stlcard25 – for some reason I was thinking it was a 3-out rule. 3 batters is not a big deal.
But again, all the gimmicks to speed up the game are not needed if they just kept the hitters in the box. This whole routine hitters go through stepping out of the box has had the most impact by far in extending games. I also think, although do not know for sure, that more foul balls are hit today than in the past.
With pitchers pretty much all fastball-slider guys today, and hitters mostly looking to hit home runs, I think that leads to fouling off more pitches. It certainly seems that way.
Lastly, the modern theory on hitting is to work deep into the count. So guys also tend to let more hittable pitches go by early in the count. Matt Carpenter is a prime example of this.
But still – make a rule that hitters have to stay in the box for say the first four pitches, unless they have a problem of some sort (dust in the eyes and that sort of thing). If the AB goes longer, maybe allow two step-outs from then until the plate appearance is over. None of this Skip Schumacher-step out every pitch-undo and redo the batting gloves-pause-step in routine.February 15, 2020 at 10:54 pm #1225631982 willieParticipantFree
the three batter rule is a joke. its not going to make any real difference. it can just as easily extend innings and time as easily as it will reduce them. such a silly mess. baseball needs a commissioner that loves the game he/she presides over, not one that obviously doesn’t like it or its history. if baseball is gonna die, let it die a glorious death, not go out in a whimper trying to be what it isn’t.February 16, 2020 at 7:12 am #122574bccranParticipantPaid - Annual
What in game managerial strategy is left if you put in the DH? Defensive substitutions? Leave it the way Abner designed it.February 16, 2020 at 7:29 am #122575atripleshyofthecycleParticipantFree
So the batter gets to tell the pitcher if he wants a high ball or a low ball?February 17, 2020 at 9:40 am #122668
Cranny – the strategy in a DH league is in watching your pitcher even moreso than in a non-DH game. Jim Leyland, who managed in both leagues, said that it is actually tougher to manage in the AL because you never have that automatic pull-the-pitcher situation come up. So you and your pitching coach have to always be on guard and thinking “Do I send him back out there this inning, or go with a fresh arm”.
With the pitcher batting, the decision is often made for you. It’s a trade-off, as there are certainly times where your pitcher is going good in a close game, and then he comes up in a situation where a hit would mean a couple of runs. So you do not necessarily have that decision, although still you may encounter that in a DH game where perhaps a left-right advantage is an option.
There is plenty to question in both types of play. Personally in all sports I like the old style, where guys were more versatile. I liked it in football when the kicker was often also a position player. But sports naturally evolve into specialization. It’s a fact of life.February 27, 2020 at 11:28 am #123666
More tinkering in the minors…
Question from me: Wouldn’t fewer double plays mean longer games?
Anything to minimize pickoff throws and incentivize actual baseball plays such as the stolen base or hit-and-run.
And if the double play becomes less automatic, we might see fewer all-or-nothing hitters. https://t.co/fyTCv4r2l6
— Matt Eddy (@MattEddyBA) February 27, 2020February 27, 2020 at 2:17 pm #123683Euro DandyParticipantFree
Brian, I don’t see where the pickoff rule has an objective for pace of play. It sounds like the objective is to generate more running and excitement. But regarding time, DPs were reduced by 0.19 per game. Getting an extra 0.19 outs per game might be offset time-wise by fewer pick off attempts.
Whatever, this will require significant modifications to pitching techniques that have been crafted for years. Depending on how some pitchers profile, it could have a huge performance impact.February 27, 2020 at 6:14 pm #1236991982 willieParticipantFree
I think the pick off rule is interesting. its definitely going to make it harder for left handers to pick off players. I don’t see it effecting righties cause they already were supposed to step off of the rubber, at least that’s what I was always taught. More stealing and first to third running is a great thing.
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