February 8, 2019 at 3:39 pm #81548
gscottar, we may be saying the same thing in a different way.
MLB wants rule changes.
Union counters with wanting DH.
MLB says DH is a bigger deal financially than the rules changes (which seems true).
MLB will hold the DH until the next CBA negotiations.
MLB could institute only those rule changes that do not require Union approval (shorter commercial breaks, for example).
Or the Union could come back with other (non-DH) changes they want, which MLB would agree to, enabling the Union to agree with some or all of the rules changes MLB wants.February 8, 2019 at 3:49 pm #81549
Not having the DH in the NL is ridiculous. Get over yourselves NL owners and please stop being so stubborn. The only place in baseball where there is no DH is the NL. Very annoying.February 8, 2019 at 4:20 pm #81554
NJ, you miss the point. The feeling seems to be that the owners will go along with universal DH – but only when they can negotiate what they feel is equal value of benefit from the players. The owners are not inclined to give on the issue without a return, hence the delay until the next CBA. Whether we like it or not, that seems to be how things are lined up.February 8, 2019 at 4:49 pm #81556
That is true. Pitch clocks, mound visits, commercial breaks, roster sizes, and length of DL (now IL) are areas where the two sides can probably find common ground if they want to.
The big elephants in the room are the DH, free agency rules, salary cap/floor, and tanking. There won’t be changes in those areas until the end of the CBA.February 8, 2019 at 8:18 pm #81564
hey brian Walton, I liked your piece on the negotiations. I too am glad they are talking. far as why people tend to support owners over players, people now tend to look down on unions as a whole. especially younger crowd, cause they are far from the days back when companies basically treated their employees like slaves or worse and a lot more people esp college graduates are in jobs that have never generally had unions. when you live up in the clouds, you tend to forget about those maybe on the hill. plus people overlook the fact that most of these players don’t get these big contracts. I personally hate the but I do think they will get it in cause just like you said, its being used as a bargaining chip. it just saddens me that the mlb seems to be trying to borrow from little league, pony league with these silly things. used to, it was the other way around. if they are gonna do that, just use the extra hiiter rule so you have free substitution so you lose less of your better hitters if you brings subs in for defense or just go all stupid and go like football, have an offensive lineup and a defensive lineup. positions don’t really matter to the casual fans of today anyway, so if you are gonna ruin the game, just do it all the way.February 8, 2019 at 8:20 pm #81565
I meant to say I personally hate the dh, don’t know why it took it out, could have been me.February 8, 2019 at 9:58 pm #81571
1982willie, thank you for the compliment.February 9, 2019 at 12:09 pm #81585
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As to the DH, no, no, no!
And finally, ABSOLUTELY NOT!February 9, 2019 at 12:10 pm #81586
Keep in mind that what's being said about the DH is all about collective-bargaining leverage. The union wants it, teams want it, but MLB will work to not just give it away; it'll be part of a big-picture bartering, and could happen for 2020 within context of a CBA extension.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) February 9, 2019February 17, 2019 at 8:56 am #82062February 17, 2019 at 1:10 pm #82082
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NJ made this comment which I’ve have thought about for some time.
Smart or not they better do something and quick to fix the game pace. As baby boomers die baseball will lose its biggest fan base.
Today’s game isn’t the same as it was when I truly started understanding the game (post teenage years).
Mlb owners would be wise to protect their investment and go with whatever puts the most fans in the stadiums, or follow the game enough to watch the game or to go out and buy some paraphernalia associated with the game. I would say there is less talk about baseball in general, less interest, especially with younger folks. With all likelihood the game will be much different 25-30 years from now. Will anyone be watching? Who knows what type of technology will replace having any sports at all?
Geez, I feel bad about the younger people of today…. what a mess. But as things change the populous just is along for the ride and don’t know what they have missed.February 18, 2019 at 8:27 pm #82181February 22, 2019 at 2:12 pm #82526February 22, 2019 at 3:17 pm #82536
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Beware of unintended consequencas. As I read it, the pitcher can wait to take the mound until he has received the sign. Or can stepoff the rubber and then receive the signs. Lots of room for gaming the system at this point.February 27, 2019 at 8:24 am #82923
Negotiations continue, which I consider a good thing.February 27, 2019 at 8:47 am #82925
Yes it is a very good thing. I hope the two parties can peacefully resolve their issues.
Per sources, MLB views its willingness to abandon the clock until at least 2022 as an olive branch to the union it hopes will lead to improved labor relations. Remains to be seen how players will react to withdrawal of draft incentives and service-time adjustments, and the rest.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) February 27, 2019March 5, 2019 at 2:53 pm #83325March 8, 2019 at 11:13 am #83509March 8, 2019 at 11:17 am #83510
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“Assisted”…what exactly does that mean?March 8, 2019 at 1:36 pm #83530
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I like the “three batters” rule, as it does not reduce strategic decision-making, and will eliminate some pitching changes.
The assisted umpire thing should be interesting. I wonder when the tracking system will be allowed to over-ride the ump’s call?March 8, 2019 at 2:04 pm #83532
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I wonder if there was any consideration given to changing the rule that third strike foul balls dont count as strikes/outs. This would cut significant time I would guess.March 8, 2019 at 2:58 pm #83538
I am very much in favor of banning the shift. I’m glad the Atlantic League will experiment with this. I hope this rule change pans out.
March 8, 2019 at 3:03 pm #83541
- This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by gscottar.
How are they going to ban the shift? First what constitutes a shift? Moving during a bunt? bringing the infield in? If my ss is to the right of 2nd base, can I move my 3rd baseman to SS position? Can I play my 2B just to left of second and move my 1b to the hole away from the line? Who makes the call and when? What are the guidelines that makes a shift illegal? Hit it where they ain’t problem solved. I should be able to position my players as I see fit.March 8, 2019 at 3:10 pm #83543
This is what the proposed rule for the Atlantic League states:
“Require two infielders to be on each side of second base when a pitch is released (if not, the ball is dead and the umpire shall call a ball).”March 8, 2019 at 3:15 pm #83544
So they are controlling the shifts. I can still put my ss next to second and my 3b close to him. Or the other way around for a righty.
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