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  • #171497
    Cardinals27
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    It has been best that Liberatore has not been promoted. I think he needs more development. He will have his chance in 2022.

    #171507
    stlcard25
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    Libby looks like he has found a way to pitch efficiently, at least. The results have been solid for the last month or so. I agree that there’s no reason to start his clock, but he’s probably on the radar for early 2022. I still think he can be our LH Waino for a long time.

    #171533
    gscottar
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    It will be interesting to see if and how free agency eligibility is changed in the new CBA. If free agency becomes tied to age instead of time served then promoting someone like Libby could be based entirely on readiness instead of the service time clock.

    #171537
    bccran
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    Good point, gscottar.

    #171550
    Brian Walton
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    gscottar said:

    If free agency becomes tied to age instead of time served then promoting someone like Libby could be based entirely on readiness instead of the service time clock.

    Seems to me that even with a different scale, the motivation would be the same. The sooner the player comes up, the more innings/ABs the team can get from him. In fact, the more I think about it, this way might lead to pushing players ahead faster. But unless the 40-man roster is going away, that will continue to slow certain promotions.

    In today’s world, they only have to worry about minor league free agency (seven years in) and Rule 5. Both can be fixed by a 40-man roster designation, buying up to nine more years of control. However, under this proposal, a college player drafted at 22 years of age could be controlled for only 7 1/2 years – between the minors and majors. That is way less than today.

    #171552
    blingboy
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    It is really hard to gauge guys like Liberatore who have not had a customary timeline and progression coming through MiLB. Hudson came up quickly, but had 100+ innings at both AA and AAA, and pretty much looked good the whole time. Liberatore has talent, 100 innings above A ball and has looked good for 6 weeks. I am not at all sure that is sufficient to get MLB hitters out, but who knows. Things are not as the were. At this point, if he just stays healthy for the next couple years its an improvement over what we’ve had.

    #177788
    Cardinals27
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    2022 should be Liberatores year. With a little more seasoning in the minors, he should make his debut next May or June. Of course, we can hope the rotation is healthy and doing well enough to not rush him.

    #178327
    kscardfan
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    Free agency should be what it is called. Totally free. No waiting period. JMO. No more holding back a couple productive years.

    #178330
    mudville
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    If free agency is going to be ‘totally free’ for the players, then it would make sense to skip the draft and let players sign wherever they want. There would be no rules, no requirements for anybody since it’s all totally free. But then the player ought to have to pay for tuition and training themselves just like with any other kind of study. Right now they’re getting it all for free.

    #179341
    Cardinals27
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    I see Liberatore getting his feet wet at some point in 2022, if he does well, he could be regularly in the rotation by the end of the year.

    #179346
    1964cards
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    Mudville, not sure that would work. MLB instituted the draft to improve competitive balance. The Yankees dominated for years as they spent way more on scouting and could afford to pay prospects more. IMO, no draft would lead to domination by the richer teams.

    #179356
    mudville
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    The point I was trying to make is that if players want more freedom, where does it stop? How much freedom should the players have? How much freedom can the system tolerate before it doesn’t work anymore?

    #179357
    Brian Walton
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    Simple. It stops when the two sides (owners and players) can no longer agree. Everything between here and there is posturing/negotiating.

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