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November 15, 2022 at 6:33 am #206832
Not clear if this is majors or minors, in dugout or consulting….
Mets hire former Cardinals, Astros coach Jeff Albert for key hitting role.https://t.co/l3MRrL4nbe
— Andy Martino (@martinonyc) November 15, 2022
November 15, 2022 at 12:23 pm #206861Not to state the obvious, but going to NY to escape the scrutiny of STL seems at least counter-productive.
November 15, 2022 at 1:04 pm #206862It was a bogus sounding reason from the start.
November 15, 2022 at 4:34 pm #206875There is no indication the Director of Hitting will be in the MLB dugout. He is said to work closely with the MLB coaches and is in charge of the minors pitching. Few will care about that role. Scrutiny is on the MLB team.
Eric Chavez is the Mets’ big-league hitting coach and their assistant hitting coach is Jeremy Barnes, both under manager Buck Showalter. All are said to be under contract for 2023.
November 15, 2022 at 6:55 pm #206887Maybe DeJong will be able to hit now.
November 15, 2022 at 7:26 pm #206890Jeff won’t get his feelings hurt as a result of reading criticism coming from the social media circles in NY, and the Cardinals will straighten out DeJong’s swing over the winter and he’ll be the starting SS on opening day. It’ll be a happy ending across the board.
November 16, 2022 at 9:43 am #206911If he thinks message board stuff is harsh, wait until he experiences the New York press and fans.
November 16, 2022 at 10:04 am #206916The NY press and fans will wrap him up in cotton and greet him with a chorus of soft lullabies.
November 16, 2022 at 1:30 pm #206944I don’t think I was clear enough. Why would a director get heat when there are still two MLB hitting coaches on the front line?
(The answer: He most likely won’t, making this whole “NY press” thing irrelevant.)
November 16, 2022 at 1:45 pm #206948I agree that the entire “NY press” thing’s irrelevant. The reality is that Jeff Albert was instructed to move on by his Cardinal employers. His reported “resignation” which was attributed to criticism eminating from social media circles was obviously a story designed to minimize any PR downturn.
November 16, 2022 at 1:54 pm #2069501tough said:
The reality is that Jeff Albert was instructed to move on by his Cardinal employers.
No sir, that is NOT reality. Albert turned down a contract offer to remain with the Cardinals for 2023.
His reasons for leaving may or may not be the same as the team’s version. Albert has not spoken about his departure publicly, to my knowledge.
November 16, 2022 at 1:56 pm #206951Sorry, but I don’t believe that, BW. When they tell me water’s not wet, I don’t believe that either…
November 16, 2022 at 1:57 pm #206952I am sorry, too. I can’t really engage when opinions overrule facts.
November 16, 2022 at 2:08 pm #206954Well, that’s okay too, BW. If that’s your opinion, you’re certainly entitled to it.
November 16, 2022 at 2:10 pm #206955I can share a direct quote from the PBO. I have known him for years and do not view him as a liar.
There is no reason to state that Albert was offered a contract if he was not. And if he was not, it would likely come out later and make everyone look bad. It just isn’t important enough to lie about.
November 16, 2022 at 2:15 pm #206957Well, I don’t know him at all, BW, but he impresses me as someone who’s too smart to foolishly place himself in a position in which he could be viewed as a liar.
November 16, 2022 at 2:21 pm #206960OK, on that we agree.
November 16, 2022 at 2:24 pm #206961Additionally, if the Cardinals did indeed offer Jeff Albert a contract, I’d be curious to know if the terms of that contract were disclosed. What I’m driving at, is if someone offered me a new contract at substantially less monetary value than that of our former contract, it would be a clear indication that my performance wasn’t viewed as acceptable and both my employer and myself would be better served to part ways with one another. Everyone’s happier that way.
November 23, 2022 at 11:55 am #207479The rumor came to pass.
OFFICIAL: Mike Maddux has been named Major League Pitching Coach and Dayton Moore has been named Senior Advisor, Baseball Operations. pic.twitter.com/NPvMr2G2Jy
— Texas Rangers (@Rangers) November 23, 2022
November 24, 2022 at 1:56 am #207517Hmmm. It’s almost as if Mike Maddux didn’t want to change occupations after all. Maybe he (and Jeff Albert) just wanted to get away from Ollie Marmol.
I’ve never had it happen, but I’m sure it would be irritating to answer to a boss who isn’t nearly as competent as yourself.
November 24, 2022 at 6:03 am #207518I think Ollie is there because he knows that the front office knows best how to coach and manage players at the on field level, and he therefore fully embraces whatever analytics based spew comes down the pipe. I agree that, for experienced and highly competent professionals, traversing that landscape day in and day out would be intolerable.
November 24, 2022 at 6:23 am #207519The Mo speak was obvious from the beginning. Maddux wanted to scale back or change gears….or whatever was said. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
November 24, 2022 at 7:02 am #207521Here is what Mo said:
“Mike Maddux will be stepping down. He is not retiring. He was not fired. He wants to do something different. He wants to do something at a different pace.”
November 24, 2022 at 7:15 am #207523What you refer to as “Mo speak” is not at all unique or singular to Johnny. That sort of language has been used since language was created. It’s plain and simple double talk, or to use a fancy term, he equivocates. And like you pointed out, it’s incredibly obvious and easy to spot.
November 24, 2022 at 7:30 am #207525“He wants to do something at a different pace.”
I wonder if the Rangers know they operate at a different pace?
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