Jeff Albert and Mike Maddux Leaving

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    Brian Walton
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    Not clear if this is majors or minors, in dugout or consulting….

    #206861
    grenadier1
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    Not to state the obvious, but going to NY to escape the scrutiny of STL seems at least counter-productive.

    #206862
    blingboy
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    It was a bogus sounding reason from the start.

    #206875
    Brian Walton
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    There is no indication the Director of Hitting will be in the MLB dugout. He is said to work closely with the MLB coaches and is in charge of the minors pitching. Few will care about that role. Scrutiny is on the MLB team.

    Eric Chavez is the Mets’ big-league hitting coach and their assistant hitting coach is Jeremy Barnes, both under manager Buck Showalter. All are said to be under contract for 2023.

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    blingboy
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    Maybe DeJong will be able to hit now.

    #206890
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    Jeff won’t get his feelings hurt as a result of reading criticism coming from the social media circles in NY, and the Cardinals will straighten out DeJong’s swing over the winter and he’ll be the starting SS on opening day. It’ll be a happy ending across the board.

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    SoonerinNC
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    If he thinks message board stuff is harsh, wait until he experiences the New York press and fans.

    #206916
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    The NY press and fans will wrap him up in cotton and greet him with a chorus of soft lullabies.

    #206944
    Brian Walton
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    I don’t think I was clear enough. Why would a director get heat when there are still two MLB hitting coaches on the front line?

    (The answer: He most likely won’t, making this whole “NY press” thing irrelevant.)

    #206948
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    I agree that the entire “NY press” thing’s irrelevant. The reality is that Jeff Albert was instructed to move on by his Cardinal employers. His reported “resignation” which was attributed to criticism eminating from social media circles was obviously a story designed to minimize any PR downturn.

    #206950
    Brian Walton
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    1tough said:

    The reality is that Jeff Albert was instructed to move on by his Cardinal employers.

    No sir, that is NOT reality. Albert turned down a contract offer to remain with the Cardinals for 2023.

    His reasons for leaving may or may not be the same as the team’s version. Albert has not spoken about his departure publicly, to my knowledge.

    #206951
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    Sorry, but I don’t believe that, BW. When they tell me water’s not wet, I don’t believe that either…

    #206952
    Brian Walton
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    I am sorry, too. I can’t really engage when opinions overrule facts.

    #206954
    1toughdominican
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    Well, that’s okay too, BW. If that’s your opinion, you’re certainly entitled to it.

    #206955
    Brian Walton
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    I can share a direct quote from the PBO. I have known him for years and do not view him as a liar.

    There is no reason to state that Albert was offered a contract if he was not. And if he was not, it would likely come out later and make everyone look bad. It just isn’t important enough to lie about.

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    Well, I don’t know him at all, BW, but he impresses me as someone who’s too smart to foolishly place himself in a position in which he could be viewed as a liar.

    #206960
    Brian Walton
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    OK, on that we agree.

    #206961
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    Additionally, if the Cardinals did indeed offer Jeff Albert a contract, I’d be curious to know if the terms of that contract were disclosed. What I’m driving at, is if someone offered me a new contract at substantially less monetary value than that of our former contract, it would be a clear indication that my performance wasn’t viewed as acceptable and both my employer and myself would be better served to part ways with one another. Everyone’s happier that way.

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    Brian Walton
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    The rumor came to pass.

    #207517
    Bob Reed
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    Hmmm. It’s almost as if Mike Maddux didn’t want to change occupations after all. Maybe he (and Jeff Albert) just wanted to get away from Ollie Marmol.

    I’ve never had it happen, but I’m sure it would be irritating to answer to a boss who isn’t nearly as competent as yourself.

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    I think Ollie is there because he knows that the front office knows best how to coach and manage players at the on field level, and he therefore fully embraces whatever analytics based spew comes down the pipe. I agree that, for experienced and highly competent professionals, traversing that landscape day in and day out would be intolerable.

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    The Mo speak was obvious from the beginning. Maddux wanted to scale back or change gears….or whatever was said. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    #207521
    Brian Walton
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    Here is what Mo said:

    “Mike Maddux will be stepping down. He is not retiring. He was not fired. He wants to do something different. He wants to do something at a different pace.”

    #207523
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    What you refer to as “Mo speak” is not at all unique or singular to Johnny. That sort of language has been used since language was created. It’s plain and simple double talk, or to use a fancy term, he equivocates. And like you pointed out, it’s incredibly obvious and easy to spot.

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    “He wants to do something at a different pace.”

    I wonder if the Rangers know they operate at a different pace?

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