October 26, 2022 at 11:50 am #205475stlcard25ParticipantPaid - AnnualOctober 26, 2022 at 12:14 pm #205477
Maddux just wanted a change. Albert could have returned but felt outside blame was directed at him.
Also, bullpen coach Bryan Eversgerd is being reassigned in the organization as a special assistant.
So, with the bench coach, Marmol’s staff has four openings.October 26, 2022 at 12:15 pm #205478stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
So Albert felt it was fan pressure, or that management was blaming him?October 26, 2022 at 12:19 pm #205479
Outside pressure. Albert was offered a new contract, but declined.October 26, 2022 at 12:27 pm #205480
I thought it was a good possibility that Jeff Albert may be forced to resign, but I’m surprised that Maddux is gone too. Obviously upper management and ownership learned a valuable lesson from the PR hit that they took when they canned Shildt, so they orchestrated a different script for this personnel change. These guys know what they’re doing.October 26, 2022 at 12:29 pm #205482
Mo said that Albert had “frustration” about the frequency with which he “took blame” for the team’s offensive struggles and mentioned the tenor of social media comments as a factor in that frustration.
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) October 26, 2022October 26, 2022 at 12:33 pm #205483
Haha…Johnny says this and Johnny says that…Then Johnny places the focus on social media. That’s a good one!October 26, 2022 at 12:56 pm #205484
I thought Maddux did a pretty good job. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s having a phone conversation with Bochy…October 26, 2022 at 12:58 pm #205485bccranParticipant
Albert needed to go. Time for some new thoughts. How about Jim Edmonds?October 26, 2022 at 1:02 pm #205487
I can hear it now…”Yeah, we had our new hitting coach work with him over the winter and we’re really encouraged by his progress. DeJong will be our starting SS for the ’23 opener”…October 26, 2022 at 1:26 pm #205493Cardinal in FranceParticipantFree
Is Marmol next, making it a clean sweep?October 26, 2022 at 1:29 pm #205494blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
There’s philosophy going on.October 26, 2022 at 2:11 pm #205499Cards667ParticipantFree
There’s philosophy going on.
Couldn’t agree more. I think this is more the front office making coaches not want to stay because you have to drink up all their kool-aid. Be hard for Edmonds or Chris Carpenter or whoever to want to come coach these guys when you’re just having to following what the suits are saying and not your own beliefs.October 26, 2022 at 2:21 pm #205500
This seems an opportune time to remind folks that
1. There are very good coaches in the world who were not also coincidentally your favorite baseball players when you were little.
2. Sometimes really rich and famous guys want to sit on their butts for a while after they retire.
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) October 26, 2022October 26, 2022 at 2:21 pm #205501
So, this was all a result of the critisism and pressures created by social media? Here’s a direct quote from the local St. Louis newspaper…”Mozeliak flew out to SoCal to meet with Arenado, who is still mulling his options. Arenado wanted some answers about the Cardinals plans to improve in 2023 and get back into the postseason hunt. Mozeliak believes a decision, which must be made within five days of the World Series’ conclusion, is coming soon.”October 26, 2022 at 2:23 pm #205502
BW…Sometimes really rich and famous guys are too smart to work for a guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth…October 26, 2022 at 2:27 pm #205503
We are going to have to disagree. I think the Cardinals are a very desirable destination for coaches. The last four bench coaches became managers, for example.
As to reasons particular guys are interested or not interested in open jobs, no one other than them knows, so why inject personal biases into it?October 26, 2022 at 2:27 pm #205504gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
Mo is going to be busy this winter. Hopefully he adds Catcher, Outfielder, and Elite Starter to the list.October 26, 2022 at 2:28 pm #205505gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
I wonder if guys like Jim Edmonds and Matt Holliday will be serious candidates?October 26, 2022 at 2:29 pm #205506
BW…Well, I agree that the Cardinals are a very desirable destination for coaches. Just not rich and famous ones.October 26, 2022 at 2:37 pm #205508
gscottar…I’d be highly surprised if either one of those guys would take the job if it was offered to them.October 26, 2022 at 2:46 pm #205511
BW…It’s not personal bias. It’s a compliment and I admire him. John Mozeliak is the maestro of double-speak. It’s the primary reason he’s so good at his job and has survived as long as he has. I’m also entirely certain that his unsurpassed expertise in that area is the principal reason his boss holds him in such high esteem.October 26, 2022 at 3:49 pm #205515blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
Its highly unusual for a couple of coaches to just quit. Leaving for a promotion somewhere or fired is how it happens. If they really did just quit, its worthy of an eyebrow raise.October 26, 2022 at 4:02 pm #205516
Bling…I think so too. I also think it’s inane to think they they would attribute Jeff Albert’s exit to the outside pressures of the crticism present in social media circles. I mean, if he’s indeed that incredibly thin skinned, why would any organization even consider taking him onboard in the first place?October 26, 2022 at 4:07 pm #205517Euro DandyParticipantFree
bling, seems a little different to me too.
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