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January 11, 2018 at 3:05 pm #41521
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ParticipantOzuna came up as a RFer and has a cannon. He is the obvious choice to play over there over Pham and Fowler.
January 11, 2018 at 5:48 pm #41528As Mud stated Ozuna won a gold glove in LF. There are also articles supporting Ozuna to LF and Fowler to RF.
January 11, 2018 at 7:00 pm #41530Have any of the beat writers, who have regular access to the few who really know, written about this? (Goold, Hummel, Jen L, etc.) Ben is a columnist who covers many sports and VEB, while a fine blog, has no media credentials as far as I know.
I will make a note to ask Matheny at WWU this weekend.
January 11, 2018 at 7:21 pm #41532PadsFS
ParticipantI’d be pretty aggravated if they only chose the positions to placate Fowler in their decision.
January 11, 2018 at 8:10 pm #41533Nice analysis Jag. My only nitpick would be that Gant is not the only option to replace Lyons as long man. We could easily see Flaherty/Reyes/Hudson or other candidates if Gant doesn’t step up.
January 12, 2018 at 11:24 am #41579CC…thanks… you are right about Gant not being the only option…i only used him because he seemed to get that time on the big league club last year…making me think that is his role now
but you are right the fall off might not be as great should we go to another choice as you mentioned
January 12, 2018 at 12:40 pm #41586Have any of the beat writers, who have regular access to the few who really know, written about this? (Goold, Hummel, Jen L, etc.) Ben is a columnist who covers many sports and VEB, while a fine blog, has no media credentials as far as I know.
I will make a note to ask Matheny at WWU this weekend.
Jenifer Langosch gives a projected lineup. She has Ozuna in LF and Fowler in RF.
https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/ozuna-highlights-cards-improved-2018-lineup/c-264353870
January 12, 2018 at 2:44 pm #41593Back to the title of the thread, Cards still listed as one of six suitors for Arrieta.
January 12, 2018 at 4:27 pm #41604NJ315
ParticipantSay no to Arrieta. That would made very angry if they sign him.
January 12, 2018 at 4:46 pm #41607Say no to Arrieta. That would made very angry if they sign him.
Why?
January 12, 2018 at 4:55 pm #41608Speculation from Heyman regarding Darvish.
January 12, 2018 at 5:21 pm #41609NJ315
ParticipantBecause he is older and not that good anymore. You might as well have kept Lynn. Younger and probably cheaper.
January 12, 2018 at 5:52 pm #41610Lynn will definitely be younger and cheaper but probably not better. The question is if Arrieta/Darvish’s extra production worth the extra cost?
January 13, 2018 at 11:18 am #4165814NyquisT
ParticipantI was watching some Russo commentary on MLB network yesterday. He could not have been more decisive about saying “no” to Darvish, saying that he is totally not worth the money he is asking for.
I agree with NJ…. Lynn is still a very good option and Arrieta isn’t.
January 13, 2018 at 12:35 pm #41659Depends on the money. Let’s say it would take 4 years $17M for Lynn and 5 years $22M for Arrieta. Is the extra $5M and extra year worth it? I think so but it isn’t my call. I actually believe Darvish is better than both of them and will get the biggest contract. I heard Mad Dog’s bit yesterday. I don’t agree with him on that one.
The most prudent approach might be to sign a low cost fifth starter to give us some innings until our Memphis guys are ready. Someone like Hellickson, Cashner, etc…
January 13, 2018 at 1:32 pm #41666NJ315
ParticipantI wasn’t suggesting to sign Lynn. If not a top the line starter which there is no free agent now why sign a second tier pitcher for a lot of money? If that was the plan all along they should have signed Lynn last season.
January 13, 2018 at 1:33 pm #4166814NyquisT
ParticipantRight now we have five starters. Who are we placing to start the season?
January 13, 2018 at 1:40 pm #4167014NyquisT
ParticipantOOPS… who are we REplacing.
January 13, 2018 at 1:41 pm #41671I didn’t say sign a second tier pitcher for a lot of money. I said we might consider a low cost option. We could probably get Hellickson or Cashner for one year at at between $5M to $8M. That isn’t a huge investment to bide some time until the Memphis guys are ready.
We currently have Martinez, Wacha, Wainwright, Weaver, and Mikolas. We are losing 340 innings from Lynn and Leake. Are those five guys plus Gant, Flaherty, etc… going to make up the difference? Sounds like a big ask to me.
January 13, 2018 at 1:49 pm #4167414NyquisT
ParticipantMLB teams are using the BP more and more, they’ll be taking on innings, plus add in Mikolas’ innings and more out of Weaver and Wainwright, plus spot starts from #6.
January 13, 2018 at 1:51 pm #41676To think we are going to get more innings out of Wainwright seems like a bad gamble to me.
February 9, 2018 at 5:10 pm #43457From Buster Olney:
If Jake Arrieta ever gets to point where he defers pursuit of long-term deal in this slow market, there are teams very interested in discussing high-salary short-term deal with him.
February 9, 2018 at 7:25 pm #43460It used to be that only the player’s agents would use the media pundits to help them get their way. Now, it seems, at least one organization is trying to do the same thing. This is clearly a signal to Arrieta that reaches past his agent, and offers him a two or three year deal if he will take it.
February 9, 2018 at 8:02 pm #43461My guess is that the signal is not to Arrieta. The teams have almost certainly already told his agent the same thing and one would expect the agent to be briefing the player. This is to try to get fan sentiment on their side, in my estimation.
In a general sense, teams leaking info can occur to let fans know their team is pursuit of top free agents. That can calm some down – until they finish second every time, that is! 😉
February 9, 2018 at 9:33 pm #43462Thanks for your perspective. I appreciate it.
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