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I do think DeWitt realizes that trading for Stanton would cause a increase in fan interest and sales revenue.
It’s all about one thing for Junior: If it costs 30 million a year for Stanton and he can bring in 35 million more then he might do it. If he only brings in 25 million more then NO.Was just watching Hot Stove on the MLB Network. I think it was Ken Rosenthal that said the Marlins were definitely going to trade Stanton. The Cardinals were one of the teams he mentioned. Along with the Dodgers, Giants, Red Sox. Plus he said Stanton wants to win. Obviously he has a chance at winning with any of those four teams.
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Unless Stanton just doesn’t want to play here there no reason this can’t get done.
Tired of the excuses! It’s time!
I’m just hoping that if we are the ones that get Stanton that we do it sooner rather than later, if we wait some other team could swoop in and trade for him first…that way it’d shape how we went ahead in the winter meetings and such…
i am just tired of the constant recurrence of the comment about Stanton not wanting to come to St Louis …it was a radio talk show guy saying he heard it from someone else who heard it…it’s like a game pg telephone and it is presented as fact that Stanton wont come to StL…
as others have stated i think he would PREFER lots of things…but WINNING is his main preference
and as for his no trade clause…it’s a non factor as he wants to WIN…and he cant do that in Miami…not because they coudl win in afew years with investment but because they came out and said publicly they were cutting the budget…now he coudl hold his no trade and stay if he wants but he’d lose everyone else around him who made their team even halfway decent last year… Yelich, Ozuna, Realmuto, Gordon all would be gone and he’d have ZERO chance to compete and get pitched around every time he came up
he will accept a trade…he knows his value goes up whjen he is able to be a threat and he wont be a threat when no one can protect him in Miami if Yelich Realmuto and Yelich are gone…
i think the Phils would love him and have the money…but wont get him because they are still a few years away due to a lack of pitching…
Cubs and Sox and Dodgers all would love him but i think they are all in need of either saving up money to afford MAchado and HArper and Kershaw OR they are already looking at spending a lot this offseason to fix what they lost
Giants would love him but they have less quality prospects to offer up…even if they dont have to offer much…plus the money is pretty big for them as they have several other issues to deal with this offseason AND Cueto decided to stay so
The Cardinals match up pretty darned well and have everything the Marlins could want… it will just come down to whether they want more prospects or to save money….im sure they are working out the specifics right now on balancing that figure
to me…with the young core of Yelich, Realmuto and Ozuna…a couple good MLB almost ready pitching prospects and an upside cheap outfielder and maybe a lottery ticket prospect would outweigh the financial hit of taking on some money….
problem i see is that opt out…im sure the Marlins woudl take on money from after it but id think we want them to take on money right now as we might lose Stanton after the opt out…but the MArlins are moving him to save money right now so we have an impasse…
One side will need to move first…
and i agree with the above statement that we probably have some control before the meetings…but once the meetings start it coudl all go out the door
Re Stanton’s opinion of playing in St Louis –
Stanton was the top topic of Goold’s chat wrap yesterday, as would be expected. His response to the whole “Stanton not wanting to play in St Louis” notion was (and I’m paraphrasing, of course) –
He (Goold) contacted people who would know what Stanton has said. They indicated that Stanton has not commented about St Louis, either way. So anything saying differently is the speaker’s opinion/projection. Goold said IF negotiations developed to the point that the Marlins allowed direct contact between the Cardinals and either Stanton’s agent or Stanton himself, it would be up to St Louis to sell him on playing playing here. Goold went on to give several selling points.
Goold also referred to this time of year as the ‘silly season’ when many prognosticators pulled speculation from thin air and presented it as fact (my words, not his). Said he (Goold) only went with what he’s actually heard substantively. This was said in response to the idea of the Cardinals getting J.D. Martinez which one prognosticator recently opined the Cardinals would sign. Goold said the Cardinals had no interest in him, at this point.
IF Cards get Stanton they will still need another bat to protect Stanton.DeJong is good but getting another power threat will get Stanton more protection.As it stands now the Cards have several 20 plus HR guys ( Pham-fluke year IMHO,DeJong,Carpenter-declining veteran,Gyorko-streaky,Grichuk-likely traded.So another bat would be perfect.In order to get another bat to provide solid protection there would probably need to be trade or trades made.Just several names to consider; Wil Myers RH bat under contract that gets expensive in a year or two.Jose Abreu 1B White Sox under contract thru 2019.kyle Seager 3B Seattle-Cards would need to send a 3B to replace him to Seattle (Would you do a Kyle Seager for Gyorko deal?).
“They would ask for the top guys, but they’re not going to get them…I would say maybe two of your fifth through tenth best pitchers.”
So, expanding Nightengale’s comments a little bit (4-11 instead of 5-10) – two of Alcantara, Fernandez, Gallen, Hicks, Gomber, Woodford, Seijas or Jones
Goold also mentioned St Louis would really like to keep Hicks. Alcantara and Flaherty were on his list of possibles.
Edited addition – said Stanton’s opt out clause was certainly a significant factor in any equation.
Interesting point about the opt-out, which comes after the 2020 season. Is it really a negative?
Even if Stanton took it, the Cards would get three prime seasons from him, his ages 28-30 years. In doing so, Stanton would walk away from a guaranteed 7 years/$218 million (over $30 MM AAV) for his ages 31-37 seasons plus an option for age 38.
I’ve read some who think if Stanton was put on waivers today, that he would not be claimed. Meaning no one would take on such a huge commitment. Could he really do better in three years from now on a new seven-year deal through his declining years in his 30’s? I really question that.
For me representing the Cards, the opt-out means I would be inclined to take on more salary commitment and offer less players in return. When all is said and done, though, getting the next three prime years of Stanton’s services would be a pretty darned good take. I would not let the opt-out be a deal-breaker.
The Opt Out is only a positive from most team’s perspective. The idea is, you are willing to give up more if he opts out.
Perhaps the Cardinals can structure a deal where the Marlins start off paying $1 million in the first year, $2 million in the second and….on to $10 million in the 10th year. That will be $55 million total, and would give the Marlins a significant reprieve as they get back on solid financial ground. It reduces the burden on the Cardinals in the last few years, and if the Cardinals are willing to eat some of Stanton’s salary in the final years (as they are doing with Leake) to trade him to an AL team, makes his deal entirely digestible.
Goold certainly didn’t present it as a negative. Merely that what the Cardinals likely would do for these next three years of Stanton differed a lot from what they’d do for the entire contract.
No one, probably even Stanton himself, knows what will he will do in three years. So the Cards have to assess the trade assuming he stays, but also making sure they can come out good through three years by not loading too much cost up front that they lose out badly if he walks.
My point is they cannot make the deal assuming it is a three-year term, but they have to be cognizant of the possibility.
P.S. When all is said and done, if the rumors are right, Jeter wants to shed as much of the financial commitment as possible. If he gives it up, the Cards have to assume it. If the Cards take on more money, they give up fewer and/or lesser quality players in trade. Seems fairly cut and dried – at least from my comfortable vantage point! 😉
If Stanton opts out it probably means he had at least 2 6+ WAR seasons with the Cardinals. I would give up a lot for 2 6+ WAR seasons.
I would not sweat taking on Stanton’s contract if the Cards liability was capped at $25 million in any year. Above that, It would significantly affect the prospects I gave up.
From Bob Nightengale:
It would be a stunning upset if #Marlins OF Giancarlo Stanton is traded anywhere besides the #Stlcards or #SFGiants. They each have the money to pull it off, and Cards have loaded farm system, if necessary
Dan Buffa is reporting that the young quality starting pitcher being talked about is Carlos Martinez. To me that’s the ideal definition of 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
Well after this last year I wouldn’t be against moving Martinez, he seems to blow up pretty quickly and he’s only good when he’s on his game and not wondering what color he should dye his hair next…just wondering if any trade would be more than for just Stanton…
Just to be clear, a site that calls itself InsideBaseball.org is the source of the Martinez “rumor”, aka BS. Its Twitter account has a whopping 205 followers and tweeted nothing for seven months – from April until this week. When I tried to go to their website, it is a non-working URL.
Buffa retweeted @InsideBaseball6’s tweet with this comment: #DrugsAreBad
Does that seem like an endorsement to you?
See for yourself. This is how silly stuff starts every off-season and hungry people lap it up.
https://twitter.com/buffa82/status/928816381755260928
Here is what Buffa actually wrote about Stanton today, but it is not a rumor. He is playing GM.
Cardinals get Giancarlo Stanton, 60+ million dollars, and possibly Dee Gordon.
Marlins get Stephen Piscotty, Kolten Wong, Jack Flaherty or Dakota Hudson, and possibly Randal Grichuk.P.S. I will be a guest on Dan’s radio show Friday night. WGNU 920 at 6:20 p.m. CT, talking Cardinals baseball, of course. I will cover the “rumor”, Dan’s suggestion (too rich) and my own Stanton article (to be posted in the morning) plus more!
Carlos Martinez will make around 11.5 million in 2018 and for several years.It seems like Miami would not want to take on a big contract unless they plan on flipping him to another team for young cheap controllable players.
I put most of my Stanton thoughts in one place. Warning: 1700 words! 😉
https://thecardinalnation.com/how-might-a-stanton-trade-to-the-cardinals-work/
Nice article Brian;
although i would not hesitate to include Tommy Pham in a trade package for Stanton.I think 2017 was a career year for him and IMO he will end up being a 15-20 HR 60-70 RBI 15 SB .270-280 BA guy. solid but replaceable.Seems most every day there is another article on a potential Stanton-to-St. Louis deal. I think putting a deal together is realistic. The main sticking point might be Stanton’s hesitancy in joining a team located in the Midwest.
I imagine he has told his agent to do all they can in working a deal with a coastal club first, and if the Marlins feel the deal with St. Louis is their best option it would hinge on him waiving the no-trade clause.
Lots of interesting money angles to hash out as well. I love the sliding scale concept a poster suggested. That would seem to make a deal more realistic and executable on both sides.
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