December 19, 2020 at 11:39 am #149931gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
I like the baseball lives concept also. Torre, Mattingly, and Baker would be deserving. Actually I think Mattingly is deserving from just his playing career. As a fan of 1980’s baseball I thought the three best hitters of that decade were Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, and Don Mattingly.December 19, 2020 at 1:17 pm #149944
Good points, but Joe Torre is already in the Hall. He went in with TLR and Bobby Cox.December 20, 2020 at 9:33 am #149966December 28, 2020 at 8:44 am #150609
Surprising progress report from the unofficial ballot counters…
Year over year tracking through 70 ballots for Schilling, Bonds (Clemens is similar), Vizquel, and Rolen.
The four top returning candidates (Schilling, Bonds, Clemens, Vizquel) continue to run behind last year's pace. pic.twitter.com/EosHUnW1RW
— Ryan Thibodaux (@NotMrTibbs) December 28, 2020January 3, 2021 at 6:44 am #151068January 5, 2021 at 9:05 am #151144January 5, 2021 at 10:26 am #151148gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
Rosenthal is overthinking it and seems to be a bit dramatic to me. If certain voters want to exclude certain players because of perceived or real character or cheating issues then they should have the right to do so.January 5, 2021 at 10:37 am #151149stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
To me, there’s a difference between character issues that impact the game, and character issues that don’t. Cheaters like Bonds and Clemens forfeited their right to the HOF when they knowingly did things that aided their performance and gave them an advantage. Similar to McGwire and Sosa. Doesn’t mean they weren’t fun to watch or great players.
“Character issues” such as political views on either side should have zero impact on a baseball Hall of Fame. They may make you a doofus or even a bad person, but it’s silly to say that because one person voiced their views on something and another didn’t, they should be left out of a museum of the game’s great players.January 6, 2021 at 10:04 am #151205January 6, 2021 at 10:18 am #15120814NyquisTParticipant
Those that used PEDs not only cheated to make themselves better but they cheated all the honest players. That was worse than Rose’s offense.
Bonds and Clemens never!! Its the Hall of FAME. IMO by letting those in that gained fame by cheating is a slap in the face to all the respected HOFers. Put the cheaters in the Hall of SHAME.January 6, 2021 at 10:33 am #151212
On the earlier post, I have sympathy for Rosenthal, because he is among the subset of Hall voters who:
1) Put great thought into their vote
2) Explain it publicly
But he also takes a lot of heat in social media because of #2 and because he is a high profile individual.
IMO, the Hall of Fame could take some heat off the writers by clarifying the voting guidelines, not unlike what was done in this thread. But they refuse to do so.January 6, 2021 at 10:39 am #15121514NyquisTParticipant
Its not about guidelines. It should be about fairness and right and wrong.January 6, 2021 at 10:46 am #151217stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
Its not about guidelines. It should be about fairness and right and wrong.
Who gets to decide what’s fair or right and wrong? Are steroids more performance enhancing than greenies, which were widely available as early as the 1940s? What about guys who probably did steroids who never got caught?
That’s what guidelines are for. We can never know who really was or wasn’t honest about the way they played the game, but if the HOF made it clearer (such as a positive PED test bars you or maybe connection via grand jury testimony of involvement) it would clear up some of the confusion.January 6, 2021 at 10:51 am #151220
It should be about fairness and right and wrong.
In MY opinion as to right and wrong…January 11, 2021 at 10:42 am #151524
This status report suggests 2022 could be Rolen’s year…
Fun fact: Scott Rolen, Todd Helton, and Billy Wagner are all exactly 20% above where they were at the 130 ballot mark last year.
Rolen: 48.5% -> 68.5%
Helton: 35.4% -> 55.4%
Wagner: 31.5% -> 51.5%
— Ryan Thibodaux (@NotMrTibbs) January 11, 2021
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