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I would take 2TR’s proposal even further. Cancel this season. Void the labor deal for 2021 and open new contract negotiations. A strike after a cancelled season will do less harm than playing in 2021 and then losing baseball again in 2022.
I agree with ZTR. The season will be nothing more than the open door to slip the DH into the National League as well as increase the number of playoff teams neither of which is what I want. The CBA negotiations next season should be where a lot of that is settled. Plus how do your include the numbers from this season onto a players record (fractions or what). Asterisks up the gazoo is what I see.
It sounds like there is a deal to be made if the two sides could agree on the number of games played this year. The owners proposed 60 and the players proposed 89. It sounds like the sweet spot would be around 70 with full prorated pay.
I don’t like 16 playoff teams either but if it gets the teams on the field this year then let’s do it. I don’t think the season will be cancelled. Too much at stake for all parties involved.
P.S. I have gotten past the DH issue. It is going to happen. Actually, it could help the Cardinals since they have a logjam at a couple of positions.
bccran asked:
What comprises a meaningful season as far as the fans are concerned?
MLB Trade Rumors ran a poll back in April.
How many regular-season games would be too few to make a season worthwhile?
Fewer than 70 games – 29%
70-79 – 28%
80-89 – 21%
100 – 14%
90-99 – 8%The MLBPA’s proposal to MLB is for 70 games, sources tell ESPN, and includes a split of playoff revenues.
While the league is unlikely to accept this proposal, it’s close enough for optimism there will be a season — whether it’s via a deal or MLB setting a shorter schedule.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) June 18, 2020
MLB’s 60 game offer would pay players in just salary roughly $1.51B. PA’s 70-game bid would be $1.757 billion. That is a $247M-ish gap. It is not nothing. It is another $8.23M per team. But there is a pathway here if the sides want to take it.
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) June 18, 2020
I just want to see baseball again…. especially in this time when everything else is still shut down for the most part, to be able to watch a game (or two on some days) would be nice.
I still wonder if they owners have negotiated more from the networks since the ratings will likely be higher than ever before, due to no fan attendance, more people at home, etc?
From the very beginning the owners have been asking the players union to work with them so that they are not losing so much money. From the very beginning the players have been saying that they’ll have no part of it because the owners are lying about their finances. Nothing has changed. The owners are still asking for help, and the players are still refusing. If the owners give into this last proposal, they might as well forget what they want, and essentially, turn the management of MLB over to the players union in 2021. Meanwhile, attendance continues to fall and interest in MLB continues to wane.
#Yankees president Randy Levine accused agent Scott Boras of trying to "impede" the 2020 #MLB restart talks. I spoke with both men for our story: https://t.co/T0x2SYsREx
— Ken Davidoff (@KenDavidoff) June 19, 2020
Ben Fred criticizes DeWitt…
DeWitt has Manfred's respect. Big time. DeWitt has also used his powerful voice to echo owners' talking points instead of promote compromise. Unfortunate. https://t.co/WDcagwn1Gg
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) June 18, 2020
I believe there will be attendance before seasons end. Hasn’t the Texas governor has already welcomed 50%? capacity?
I’m not seeing fan attendance mentioned in negotiations, and if/when it happens, it’s business as usual for ownership. Players should get paid per March agreement.
Not baseball related but please keep me in your thought and prayers. I discovered my mothers body tonight. Im not sure how long she had been dead but I’m gonna take a break from posting here for a while.
BHC, very distressing for anyone, heartfelt sympathies . Please remember to take care of yourself and time will heal. You’re in my thoughts. Be well.
BHC, very sorry to hear. As you recover, I know you will honor her by living all the good values she passed to you.
This is for those who want to crawl through the numbers of the latest proposals…
I wrote about the players' reasonable proposal and the lack of a reasonable public response by the owners. https://t.co/PG1eKnJK5M
— Craig Edwards (@craigjedwards) June 19, 2020
I mount the lectern and preach my sermon again. It is the openness of the negotiations that shows the need for privacy of them. As long as both sides are leaking out their preferences to the scribblers and hence the fans the road will continue to get rougher. It does appear they are getting down to the short hairs now but it could all blow up with one wrong word or misquote and it is the scribblers most likely to do that. See ya in 2021 with no DH hopefully. Stepping down. Picking up box and walking away to whine another day.
MM3, when the principals are making their own public statements via press releases and social media, your blaming it on the “scribblers” doesn’t carry much weight. The writers, as well as the public, are not the ones sitting (or not sitting) at the negotiating table. I honestly wish the broad, collective “we” had impact, but we do not.
This is along the lines of MM3’s thinking, I suspect…
Agree 100%, but if Baseball was smart, they wouldn't be where they are now.
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) June 19, 2020
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