July 3, 2020 at 9:01 am #132115Minuteman3ParticipantFree
Please show how COVID kept MLB from playing 80-90 games, but allows them to play 60.
That is not really a fair question. Covid19 is a ongoing continuous thing that varies from day to day and pretty much dependent on how people react to it. mask/no mask; social distancing; washing hands frequently. Now we are hearing that the virus is mutating to a tougher strain and we also hear that vaccines are just around the corner. The situation is so fluid there is only one being who can tell the future on this one.July 3, 2020 at 9:09 am #132117
You are right, MM3. I should have said this instead:
“Please show how COVID kept MLB from SCHEDULING 80-90 games, but allows them to SCHEDULE 60.”
That is much clearer.July 13, 2020 at 4:33 pm #132787
MLB and players’ union have reached agreement on a variety of previously unresolved issues regarding individual contracts, sources tell The Athletic. Deal covers how vesting options, roster bonuses and other clauses would be calculated in abbreviated 2020 season. Details to come.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 13, 2020July 13, 2020 at 7:20 pm #132794mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
If they play 90 games rather than 60 games, everyone who is involved in the game spends a 50 percent longer time in a place of higher vulnerability to the virus. Also, over a longer period of time, people would tend to let up on their defenses. Hope this helps. P.S. Don’t you just love my snarkiness?July 13, 2020 at 8:23 pm #132798
Highlights of new MLB-PA agreement, per source:
*All vesting options for ‘21 will vest at full amounts (Andrew Miller’s $12M option would still be worth $12M)
*The thresholds for the vests will be prorated (Miller needed 37 games pitched in 2020; number now reduces to 14).
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 13, 2020
Tiny correction on first item, but let’s get it right: 200-inning threshold would round up to 74 1/3 innings and bonus would be $74,333. https://t.co/4EwCmY9sam
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 14, 2020July 13, 2020 at 9:04 pm #132799mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
I hope Andrew Miller turns out to be worth that $12M for 2021. So far he’s been a bust. If, in 2021, he’s no better than he was in 2019, I wish they would just cut him early in the season.July 16, 2020 at 3:19 pm #132956
Nightengale is back with another. White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who has been around so long he was one of the drivers of the 1981 and 1994 stoppages, shared some real doozies.
He calls his 2020 losses in the nine figures. I wonder how much of that supposed $100,000,000 or more loss is on paper. How does this compare to what the team made in profit last year? As always, no way to verify any of it.
Here is the best part…
“I was concerned the union was maneuvering not to have a season,” Reinsdorf said.
Say what? The same union that proposed 114 games, then 89 games, then 70 games – and was rejected every time? How can he say this with a straight face? Is he delusional or does he think we were not paying attention? Somewhere between six and 10 of his peer owners were the ones who reportedly wanted to play ZERO GAMES. Of course, good old Bob wasn’t about to ask for a clarification…
Also mildly interesting that Reinsdorf is against both the runner on second in extra innings and three batter minimum rules.
“I don’t like fake ways determining the outcome of the game,” he said.
On that we agree, but for 2020, it is what it is…
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) July 16, 2020July 17, 2020 at 10:40 am #133008
Some of these owners are a real piece of……..work.July 17, 2020 at 11:09 am #133010mspaidParticipantFree
I’m confused with all of the contract and service time talk. One question: Will 2020 count as a contract year for Fowler or will he be back in 2022 making 16.5 Million?July 17, 2020 at 12:13 pm #133012
Hello, nate. Yes, this counts as a contract year.July 17, 2020 at 1:53 pm #133014blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
Assuming we make it that far, how are post season payouts to teams determined, and any idea how a team might handle individual shares?July 17, 2020 at 2:33 pm #133016
Assuming you mean the player pool for the playoffs, per the CBA, it is based off a percentage of gate revenues. So unless things improve and fans are allowed into these games in October, the total will be zero. In other words, current course and speed, the players will receive no compensation.
There was talk about the players getting a guaranteed pool as part of the owners’ proposal to expand the playoffs to 16 teams, but that has yet to be negotiated to a conclusion. Seems like both sides would win, but for whatever reason, it hasn’t happened yet.
For teams that get that far in a normal year, their members vote on individual shares at the end (when the size of the pot is known) based on perceived contribution.July 17, 2020 at 6:26 pm #133023blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
Thanks Brian. The possible/probable lack of a gate is exactly what I meant. Assuming there is something to share out, the abnormal rosters and coming and going could mean customary practices may not fit. Just wondering.July 17, 2020 at 8:56 pm #133031CardsFanInChiTownParticipantFree
I couldn’t find the thread it was discussed on, but I got an email from MLB.TV that the subscription for 60 games is $34.81 for past subscribers and $49 for new ones.July 23, 2020 at 8:16 pm #133471July 24, 2020 at 11:22 am #133510
This article claims that teams could re-set the luxury tax if the season made it to September 1. If the season was cancelled before that date then there would not be a re-set.
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) July 18, 2020July 28, 2020 at 3:02 pm #133891
Question for Mr. Manfred. 2020 salaries and service time are prorated off a schedule of 60 games. Will players whose teams did not get to play 60 be penalized in pay or service time? Or did these calculations get more complicated with teams playing seasons of varying length?
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) July 28, 2020July 28, 2020 at 4:52 pm #133914Euro DandyParticipantFree
Players made it real clear that prorated meant prorated, regardless of any qualifiers that pop up.July 28, 2020 at 7:43 pm #133940CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
The fact that it is the Marlins makes MLB eating salaries easy lol.July 28, 2020 at 7:57 pm #133945
Euro, the question for me is not if it is prorated. The question of whether it is prorated on 50 games (for a team that only plays 50, for example) vs. prorated on a full 60. That could be a major difference for both salary and service time.
CC, I was thinking about all the incremental MLB salaries the Marlins will have to pay the replacement players, since the COVID players will get their full salaries, too.July 29, 2020 at 1:22 pm #134029
The 30-man roster currently is in effect for first 2 weeks of the season. The proposed changes, if enacted, would be in place for the 2020 season. Right now, the 2 matters are only under discussion. No firm decisions made by the union or MLB. https://t.co/iDyr6VLMwP
— Britt Ghiroli (@Britt_Ghiroli) July 29, 2020July 29, 2020 at 2:00 pm #134030
If season is interrupted or delayed, March agreement states players will receive prorated pay only for the number of games their teams actually play. However, the union asked the league to make an exception for WAS, PHI and NYY, and the league agreed. Has not discussed Marlins. https://t.co/87gkycphmf
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 29, 2020July 29, 2020 at 2:01 pm #134032
Lumping all Marlins players together does not seem fair unless they all broke the rules, yet singling out a few may be difficult. I can see a grievance coming if MLB slaps down the entire team.
What we reported earlier today is now also being reported by USA Today: MLB is investigating how so many Marlins got COVID (and how many games team will miss) before deciding whether to pay their players: https://t.co/b6V70xf2It
— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) July 29, 2020August 4, 2020 at 4:40 pm #134498
Players get a small win with two extra roster spots remaining for the rest of the year.
Original plan was for rosters to reduce from 30 to 28 on Thursday and then to originally agreed upon 26 in another two weeks. Union telling players adjustment was made “in light of the health and safety challenges we have seen in the first couple of weeks of the season.” https://t.co/nvHFLbcUQ7
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) August 4, 2020
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