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Apparently Clark said to tell us “when and where” and the players are ready to play. The ball is in Manfred’s court.
It sounds like we either have baseball in 2020, or Manfred is in the unemployment line in 2021.
Breaking: MLB commissioner Rob Manfred and players union chief Tony Clark had what’s being called a productive meeting face to face in Arizona. Meeting was called at Manfred’s request
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) June 17, 2020
Any of us could have figured this out weeks ago…
Breaking: MLB and players union are closing in on an agreement to play the 2020 season, via players. Deal expected to be for prorated pay and include expanded playoffs.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) June 17, 2020
Ground being given on both sides, it appears.
As part of the pending agreement to play the 2020 season between MLB and the players union, the union has agreed to waive any grievance.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) June 17, 2020
To be clearer, it is fear of a $1 BB grievance that the owners fear they would lose because it is pretty clear they have been dragging their feet in negotiations. Stalling has been an effective tactic for owners’ finances, but it has killed them with the fans.
A driving force in this resumption of the baseball talks:
I've been hearing it wasn't so much that a group of owners didn't want to play. They just didn't want to play and face a $1 billion grievance.
You know what would make that grievance go away? Making a deal.
— Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) June 17, 2020
Some are jumping the gun in celebration…
Reports of an agreement are false.
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) June 17, 2020
Sources: The owners' latest offer to the PA is for 60 games, full pro-rata, starting July 19.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) June 17, 2020
Olney’s tweet makes no sense. Any agreement involving full pro rated salary could just be implemented. No additional MLBPA approval required.
This … is promising. pic.twitter.com/paSkycRZuQ
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) June 17, 2020
Olney’s tweet is incomplete, but not incorrect. Yes, Manfred can impose the season, but not with expanded playoffs and not with an agreement from the players to not file a grievance, etc.
Remember that this is not an “agreement”, but the owners’ proposal.
The only reason I listed the tweet here are these words: “60 games” and “starting July 19”.
The fact that he had to mention (highlight) that the meeting was at his request displays an ego that may have been getting in the way all along.
bccran, when I read it, I wondered the same thing…
It apparently took until he was absolutely trashed at about every turn to take some actual initiative.
Olney’s tweet is incomplete, but not incorrect. Yes, Manfred can impose the season, but not with expanded playoffs and not with an agreement from the players to not file a grievance, etc.
Also, the health risk issue seems to be an escape hatch for either side to starting the season. This issue could trump all else if they can’t agree on the protocols, assumption of risk, waivers, etc.
In addition to that, they also need to proactively address how issues will be handled when there are positive Covid-19 tests. Otherwise, it might all crumble quickly like in March when the NBA players tested positive. Some plans going into the season might prevent that, e.g., if A happens, then it will be handled by doing B.
Update 5.0: MLB, players make progress to play in 2020, but can't agree on length of season-owners want 60, players closer to 70-with details of agreement, including DH for 2021, too. https://t.co/Vd2pN4Q4OU
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) June 18, 2020
Owners might agree to DH in 2021 but I cant see any agreement lasting past that. That is their biggest bargaining chip for new CBA
from Dayn Perry, CBS:
players seem poised to approve the growth from 10 playoff teams to 16 for the next two seasons, and that of course increases the likelihood that the expanded playoff structure will be adopted permanently in the next collective bargaining agreement.
I’m not at all in favor of expanding the playoffs except in a shortened year like this one. 10 is already too many, so now we will get sub .500 teams making the playoffs on a regular basis. That’s not acceptable.
stlcard25, you know the real rea$on for the expanded playoff$, right?
I do, but I don’t have to like it. After 162 games we have a pretty solid idea of who the best teams are. I’m firmly in the boat that we need to have the Championship Series and World Series and that’s it. But that will never ever happen, for the $$$$ reasons you state. 16 teams is just silliness.
Then you are going to really like this one…
One thing that “the purists” are gonna hate:
The owners have proposed being able to sell commercial advertisements on uniforms for 2020 and 2021.
Again, it’s in the proposal, which as many have reported is not a done deal.
— Coach Trev (@trevorplouffe) June 18, 2020
People familiar with players’ thinking believe that they are seeking more games because they dont feel a 60-game season is worth losing their right to file a grievance.
“The ability to file a grievance,” one agent said, “is almost worth letting the owners cancel the season.”
— Robert Murray (@ByRobertMurray) June 18, 2020
Manfred And Clark Meeting Was Never A ‘Deal’ But Brings MLB Closer To Season via @ForbesSports https://t.co/ctpzVPx9WM
— Maury Brown (@BizballMaury) June 18, 2020
Based on how much of the season has already been lost (over half) I’d rather just see this season scrapped and let both sides start working on next season and beyond.
Between COVID and all the social unrest and all the agendas that go along with both I don’t want baseball to be used as just another pawn in one or both of these situations.
Just my opinion.
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