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  • #130981
    Brian Walton
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    This is an in-depth article from The Athletic on the backgrounds of all 30 MLB owners. Nothing special about DeWitt at all, but the other 29 are interesting reading.

    #131012
    Brian Walton
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    #131016
    Brian Walton
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    #131019
    Brian Walton
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    As Olney noted, $5 million per team would have split the difference.

    But MLB can mandate a season…

    #131076
    Brian Walton
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    Vote delayed…

    #131077
    CariocaCardinal
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    They are probably just as likely to catch it at home.

    #131078
    Brian Walton
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    You mean vs. Florida or Arizona?

    #131079
    CariocaCardinal
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    I mean vs wherever.

    #131080
    mudville
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    I would definitely rather see the season cancelled than for the owners to get themselves into a position where the players can file a grievance against them. If that happened and the owners lost, I think it would create an environment so toxic that MLB as we know it could not survive.

    Some of the owners are upset with Manfred because of some of the wording in the March agreement, and they should be. Based on that alone, IMHO, there’s no way Manfred should be allowed to negotiate the new CBA in 2021.

    #131081
    Euro Dandy
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    I would like to see the March agreement. I’ve read speculation that some owners were unhappy with Manfred over the agreement, but the owners ratified it. Certainly their team lawyers would’ve advised in that process.

    We’ve seen both sides giving different interpretations of the agreement on points that shouldn’t be confusing. We’ve seen both sides leaking many half-truths and fibs, yet we haven’t seen the full agreement itself leaked. This issue hasn’t made sense to me.

    #131085
    Brian Walton
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    This is far too logical to actually happen. A commissioner for all of baseball, not just the owners.

    #131092
    Minuteman3
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    And the beat goes on……………………and the beat goes on……….and on……….and on.
    See ya in’21…………maybe.

    #131094
    bccran
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    Do these two groups understand how much damage they’re doing to the cherished national pastime? Is there a “former players association” (alumni group) that can/would step up and voice their opinion?

    #131105
    Brian Walton
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    FWIW, I am not sure anyone’s opinions voiced is going to matter.

    #131106
    Brian Walton
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    #131109
    Euro Dandy
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    Does the latest proposal require the players to sign an assumption of covid19 risk agreement?

    #131111
    Brian Walton
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    Euro Dandy asked:

    Does the latest proposal require the players to sign an assumption of covid19 risk agreement?

    I am not 100%, but I think the owners proposal does include that.

    #131114
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    I think so too, Brian. The other issues might be based in greed, but the Covid-19 risk is a legitimate concern for both sides.

    A reasonable agreement/assumption of risk seems appropriate. It should be something along the lines of the owners will ensure and implement all the recommended and mandated protocols, but beyond that, a risk still exists that must be accepted. Players should get insurance and pay like they do when they go on the injured list like with other injuries and illnesses, but they shouldn’t be able to file frivolous negligence lawsuits if the owners have implemented all the proper protocols to mitigate the risks.

    Just watching the Tennis Channel yesterday and today for one of the live Re Open events (Adria Tour) in Croatia. Grigor Dimitrov, a highly ranked player, pulled out at the last minute yesterday when the event started because he was feeling ill. Dimitrov announced today it is because he has tested positive for Covid-19. He played in the Adria Tour event last week in Belgrade, where there was no social distancing among fans, players, ball boys, judges, etc. Very few masks in the crowd.

    They just canceled the remainder of the Adria Tour event in Croatia after Dimitrov’s announcement.

    #131124
    Brian Walton
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    Owners sweeten their offer…

    #131139
    Minuteman3
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    The handwriting on the wall is becoming more and more clear now. Another bit of virus hits and BAM they shut down whatever it was they had going. Same for NFL. Folks there is nobody around, athlete or fan, that can guarantee they can play X number of games without several players/coaches/hotdog vendors contracting the virus. Why not give it a break and hope for a vaccine before 2021 spring training.

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    THerr28
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    Baseball taking advantage of fans, good article by Gary Washburn, Boston Globe:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/21/sports/mlbs-attitude-fans-is-unforgivable/

    #131158
    mudville
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    This morning I read an article from The Athletic by Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich. It sounds to me like the players aren’t too concerned about the coronavirus. What they’re mostly worried about is not being able to collect more money from the owners by filing a grievance after the season. In other words they want to make sure they don’t give up their right to sue their bosses after the season. This is as crazy as anything I have ever heard of. For me it’s hard to imagine how this adversarial relationship between the players and the owners can be fixed. The players apparently hate the owners and they want to hurt them any way they can. IMO, MLB is on a path to crash and burn. It will interesting to see what the new MLB will look like.

    #131159
    Minuteman3
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    Mud wrote: IMO, MLB is on a path to crash and burn. It will interesting to see what the new MLB will look like.

    I agree Mud but there are a ton of minor leaguers on the cusp of moving up that would be glad to play in a reformed major league. Not strikebreakers, just guys that want to play in place of those that don’t. I think it might be surprising at just how many young guns in MLB now would go to work quick if push came to shove.

    #131162
    mudville
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    I know what you mean. There are lots of kids that would love to play. But there are also the players with the big long term contracts like Arenado that would also have to be on the field in order to collect that big money that is owed them. That would be pretty awkward. Plus getting all the rookies used to the Bigs at the same time would be a challenge. One saving factor would be that all the MLB teams would be in the same boat. The best thing that could happen would still be for all the problems between players, owners, and fans to get somehow worked out although that seems like a longshot at this point. Charlie Finley tried to put a team together with ‘replacement players’ and it didn’t work out. But this time the circumstances are different, so who knows?

    #131163
    Brian Walton
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    Folks, there is a Cooperative Bargaining Agreement between owners and players that runs until December 2021. There could not be replacement players until at least 2022.

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