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well stlcard25, I see your point but what is a regular person. are we talking about an engineer, a college professor, doctor, factory worker, food service worker. So if we are going by that, I should be making lots more or a lot of these other people should make what I make. If you are om with a doctor, engineer, or a professor making lots more than the others then these players, team officials, and owners have the right to make their money.
When team owners and players start providing life saving services like doctors, educating you for a life craft like a professor, designing buildings and bridges to make us safer like engineers, or even producing something we need or serving it to us like a factory worker or a food service worker…then sure, they can make all the profit they want. As is, what’s the service someone provides who hits a ball with a stick or runs fast and can catch a pigskin or throw a leather ball through a hoop?
As far as I’m concerned, entertainment should have had capped profits a long time ago. Players make no more than $1 million a year, which is still crazy money compared to most everyone else (and of course they are free to make money off their likeness via endorsements). Owners get to keep a profit equal to what they pay their roster of players. Add in the stadium workers, officials, concessions and such (like a mandatory fee to be set aside to help build a new stadium every so often that won’t be funded by tax payers like they usually are for the benefit of the owner), and that’s what ticket prices get based off. It could never happen now with the windfall that is available to everyone involved from our pockets…but it’s how it should have been.
That many payers get essentially laid off by MLB after a few years is what I thought was one of the primary complaints of players, if not the only primary complaint. I can see where the union players would like to do something to take care of these guys who are in many cases still their friends. After all, what happened to those kids could very well have happened to any one of them. They don’t see any reason why they personally should have to pay the toll on that, and since the owners are saving money by replacing these kids with prospects, the players figure the owners are a calloused, greedy bunch of people. So the players take it upon themselves to try to do something about it. You have to admire them for that.
Mo said this to the P-D:
“If you look on Twitter, you’re going to find that it’s 50/50 as to who is at fault…”
Is that really what owners and front office people think or are they in denial? This poll of 1,100 people on social media pegs it at two-thirds blaming the owners (with 5% on the players and 28% on both).
Who’s at fault for the current circus with MLB?
— Maury Brown (@BizballMaury) June 13, 2020
Another part of Mo quote:
“There’s definitely a group of fans that aren’t active (on social media) and enjoy the game and are hopeful it will return — to have something else to watch other than Netflix.”
Several very interesting implications here. (This is what I am reading into his remarks.)
First is that he seems to be assuming that those on social media do not want to see MLB return ASAP. (In reality, they absolutely do, but just not on the owners’ terms.)
Second is that he seems to think that the fans who are less plugged in to the details of what is going will be more forgiving.
I suspect what he really means is that the upset fans are the noisy few but the silent majority are not upset with the owners and will come back to the game quickly.
If so, it could help explain the foot-dragging. But I cannot help but feel they are misreading their customers.
MLB owners have conference call today to determine next course of action, making another offer or agreeing with union that negotiations are over, and letting Rob Manfred implement the season. https://t.co/rTpanhD7mY via @USATODAY
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) June 15, 2020
We know there’s time for a 72 game season because MLB just offered it Friday. But Manfred has a calculator, so I’ll bet a wooden nickle he implements a 48 to 50 game season due to full pro-rated pay agreed upon in March.
Thanks Brian for reminding me why I never signed up for social media. I value their opinions as much as I do polls. TCN is about as close as I come to social media.
Second is that he seems to think that fans less plugged in to the details of what is going will be more forgiving.
Fans and scribblers being ‘plugged in’ in my view ARE the problem. Open negotiations just beg for the confusion that reigns now. Parsing every word by either side is not productive. Let them negotiate without help from outside interference.
The players moved from $2.87b billion in guaranteed salary to $2.24b in their second offer. The owners moved from $1.03b to $1.27b guaranteed (1.23b to 1.5b w/playoffs), while also asking for the waiver & more playoffs. One side clearly moved more.
— Eno Sarris (@enosarris) June 15, 2020
Quite a turn of events for MLB
1. Accuse players of acting in bad faith
2. Guarantee a baseball season
3. Say you can't start the baseball season because an impartial third party might find MLB acted in bad faith.— Craig Edwards (@craigjedwards) June 15, 2020
Major League Baseball Players Association Executive Director Tony Clark today released the following statement: pic.twitter.com/ibyOqB93WC
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) June 15, 2020
A year later and the negativity is at all time high, and yet Manfred seems not to care.
Commissioner Rob Manfred says he is bothered by “the negativity” around the game’s coverage and conversation and that the only way to improve that is playing the game. Get that “glow” back. #MLB
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) February 17, 2019
This is the first tweet of a very long thread. I’m not going to post the entire thread here but you should give it a read.
So, Rob, explain to us how you can be 100% sure that there’s going to be baseball but not confident there will be baseball at the same time? hmmm. What changed between those statements 🤔🤔 Players told you to set the season, but it’s too early to set the season right now,
— Trevor Bauer (トレバー・バウアー) (@BauerOutage) June 15, 2020
You think?
Manfred admits on ESPN this has been “a disaster” in terms of optics for MLB. That’s something we can all agree on.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) June 15, 2020
I find this hilarious on several fronts, including this same thing having been written about Selig in 1994 and again based on steroids – and he is in the Hall of Fame!
Manfred must salvage the season, or his legacy is ruined. Column: https://t.co/Raj58Fp0ao
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) June 16, 2020
Brian, you said this social media and I have given that some thought. I see no politics, no religion, no cussing, more than a few apologies, factual statements, links to twitter that show how stupid that medium really is and few things said in print that one would not say in person. So if this is social media it is something like Improved Social Media or Social Media Light. I considered just quitting but then decided if I just did not open the twitter links in posts I would not be better informed but I would be less wound up so that is the route I have taken.
Coronavirus-19. Does anybody on this forum think that NO baseball player had contracted the virus? Of course they have but none have died (that we know of). In fact, more have died from auto accidents and drugs than the virus. My point is that the players are young enough to be in what could be considered a safe zone. However, some of the staff may be approaching the age of concern for the virus. For them I would recommend a paid leave of some sort if the owner desires to keep them. They can possibly contribute via computer. My thoughts are that old people stay safe and the youngsters get out and do your thing
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So if this is social media it is something like Improved Social Media or Social Media Light.
Agreed. This forum is moderated and people are held accountable for what they write.
MLB has little choice but to negotiate a deal w/players now. MLB can’t punt on the season when every other sport — including contact sports — are intending to play. And it’s apparent MLB finds mandating a season (and the specter of a grievance and books being opened) unpalatable
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) June 16, 2020
I’d bet money that Bill “DaWallet” DeWitt is one of them.
Hearing that six owners that don't want a season. @Ken_Rosenthal reports 8 or more. Urgency for Manfred to corral his group before that number grows.
— Andy Martino (@martinonyc) June 16, 2020
Let’s please not go to disparaging nicknames like “Dawallet”. Thank you.
He opened himself up to nicknames when he opened his mouth and complained that baseball wasn’t very profitable. If Brian has a problem with the nickname then I’ll stop but if he doesn’t then its fair game.
Current MLB situation… https://t.co/4CaCK1bPij
— Amy Gutierrez (@amygmultimedia) June 16, 2020
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