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    BlackHillsCardBlackHillsCard
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    This should sit well with the MLBPA

    #148867
    stlcard25stlcard25
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    Of course it will take some time to play out, but I’ll be curious how their claims looked. Are they trying to get back to net zero, or looking to cover the “losses” entirely, like all their lost revenues? If it’s the latter and they win, it’s possible that the owners end up making more money than in a normal year thanks to their suppression of player salaries.

    #148869
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    This could be huge in a number of ways. Several questions off the top of my head.

    Would the courts require teams to share their books as part of discovery? If the insurance companies press, will MLB back off?

    How could these cases be resolved in time for insurance to be in place for 2021? Would owners use this as part of the excuse to delay the season?

    Just another reminder that sports are all about money. The fact this is baseball is secondary.

    #148870
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    P.S. Here is the original source article from Friday. BHC, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention…

    #148880
    Avatargscottar
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    If MLB somehow won this claim how do we know they wouldn’t just pocket the insurance proceeds and not invest it back into payroll? I am sorry for being so cynical but the owners deserve that cynicism in my opinion because they are so secretive and have very little transparency.

    Also, I wonder if any MLB teams have tried to get federal assistance this year? I know the airline and cruise ship industries have requested it. I am not trying to start a political debate. I view that as a non-partisan question that I am just curious about.

    As Brian kind of alluded to, the owners would probably be viewed a lot different by the players and fans if they were more transparent but they have always refused, therefore, even if they are on the up and up there will always be doubt.

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    #148907
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    #148926
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    That is funny but points for creativity.

    #148936
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    If only MLB had hoarded toilet paper and hand sanitizer at the start of the outbreak, they would never have been in that situation… 😉

    #148940
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    Still laughing about damages to the air at the premises.

    #148941
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    CC… why don’t you get over to the Community voting.

    #148946
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    I dont have time this year to keep up. To be honest I never liked the multiple voting. Miss a couple of days and your 6 positions behind what is going on.

    #148954
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    #148955
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    From Ken Rosenthal:

    “MLB instructed clubs in a memo last week to proceed under the assumption the DH will not be used in the NL this year…”

    Personally, I still believe the odds remain very high it will happen – but not until other issues defining the 2021 season will also be decided… which could take months…

    https://theathletic.com/2244200/2020/12/07/rosenthal-phils-puzzling-offseason-mlbs-big-loss-mets-trade-talk-more-notes/

    #148956
    stlcard25stlcard25
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    I agree with Brian that I think it will happen, but it will be a late addition, probably tied to the expanded playoffs. It also probably depresses the market for the DH types out there, such as Cruz and Moreland, not to mention the OFers who could DH like Pederson or even Rosario. Win-win for the owners.

    #148958
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Agreed. Stalling has proven to be a benefit to the owners in 2020 and it should continue in 2021, as well. I get that many folks don’t like it, but at least understand why it is happening… It is not ignorance or avoidance of duty – it is a strategy.

    If MLB puts in a memo that that they expect the DH to eventually occur, they give the MLBPA a negotiating advantage.

    #148960
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    I would imagine that the owners are in no hurry to commit to a 162 game season either. As a matter of fact I think a majority of owners will be pushing for a reduced schedule since it is unlikely full attendance is granted until mid season at the earliest.

    #148962
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Yep. The issues are all related. This uncertainty about the 2021 season could easily go on all winter long.

    #148983
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Typical of the mass overreaction. Even veteran sportswriters are getting hysterical about it. Funny how it was the same situation a year ago and not a word was spoken…

    “The uncertainty around the DH issue is again paralyzing the market…”

    No, the uncertainty about the entire 2021 season is paralyzing the market. The DH is just a symptom.

    #149532
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    When completed, this will be an important development in helping to define MLB in 2021. By establishing how much money MLB will get from ESPN for televising the new first round of the playoffs, a base to negotiate with the players (on this one specific item of many open) is also established.

    #149535
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    I hate the expanded playoffs for normal seasons, and listening to the ESPN announcers just makes it worse. This is a lose-lose. I guess there will be many fewer games broadcast throughout the year, though.

    #149540
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    I find the deal interesting. ESPN has essentially traded reduced regular season games for more playoff games. On the surface, you would think that playoff games are more profitable for the major networks than regular season games. However, does this deal indicate that the major networks now see other sports programming as more lucrative for them than regular season games?

    The real “elephant in the room” remains the length of the 2021 regular season. At this point, I do not see a path to a 162 game regular season. IMO, I cannot see the regular season starting until fans are allowed to attend games. Not sure what the magic threshold is, but I cannot see owners losing money in 2021.

    #149596
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    What the owners want game wise, the owners get, most likely. They are wanting to delay the start of the season til May.

    #149598
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    I agree that the season should be delayed so vaccines can be administered, but this will no doubt be a long protracted fight over revenue percentages, how many games played, etc….. just like last year. Fun fun.

    #149631
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    I’ve got to say I believe Boras more than the owners on this one…

    #149638
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    Ditto Brian.

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