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June 4, 2023 at 8:23 am #223199
To make 85 wins they would have to win 60 of the next 103 games starting today. They’ve shown nothing to date to lead one to believe that’s even possible.
June 4, 2023 at 8:24 am #223200After 100 years of brainless bruisers running around in the dirt, the analytics majors who saw baseball on tv figured out a better way. Thank goodness for the smart people. Of course, the Cards org is all over it. Results are presently disappointing, but its early, we’re working on stuff, the statistical anomalies will normalize, deviations will regress and all will be well. You’ll see.
June 4, 2023 at 8:42 am #223203With the Brewers leading the division only four games over .500, Mo probably has visions of 2006 dancing in his head.
The problem with that view is that the 2006 Cards were a good, with a seasoned manager, that had two 10 game losing streaks. Otherwise they played good ball all year and into the post season.
Also, the injury to Isringhausen forced TLR to make a rookie his closer, jijijijiJune 4, 2023 at 8:55 am #223205
jj-cf-stlParticipantOptimizing the lineup is about today and going forward. Players from days gone by add nothing to this seasons lineup construction, or discussion.
You take what you have and do the best job of lining them up to hopefully produce the most runs possible each game. Since lineup cards can change daily, reassessing who is producing and who isn’t becomes a consideration also.
On base in front of slg at the top of the batting order has been around since before us, and those numbers have no clue if said player is a fan favorite of mine or yours, and they don’t even know how to care.
Lets fast forward and answer this…
Do you want a numbers optimized lineup daily, or a loyalty based lineup based on past performance? I think that’s where we’re at, numbers vs sentiment. I already see two different camps, but neither has to be wrong. A blend of both is likely optimum.June 4, 2023 at 9:12 am #223206If humans were computers, I’d go with the optimized numbers approach. But in real life the intangibles matter. The human element is very frustrating for the wonks.
June 4, 2023 at 9:30 am #223208
jj-cf-stlParticipantWhich is why the analytical room should suggest, and a free reigns manager should lead. I don’t see input from both. I see a puppet taking orders, and the numbers dominating the lineup card. Goldy second is a perfect example of that.
June 4, 2023 at 9:37 am #223209Goldy second is a perfect example of that.
Its nothing new though. Pujols second in the WC was an even more perfect example. I am sure the numbers said it was the optimum, but jumbling the humans around at that exact moment was baseball idiocy.
edit. The fact it was repeated in the second game proves that it came from upstairs and not just a manager wild hair that would not have been allowed to happen a second time.
June 4, 2023 at 10:06 am #223212Our club is 10th in LOB/game. We are not taking very good advantage of bringing guys home.
We need Goldy in a position to drive in runs more than we need him in a position to get on base, because we do not have enough other guys stepping up to produce runs. Babe Ruth and Ted Williams had great OBPs, but were more valuable driving guys around the bases.
If we had one more guy having a great year, say a 2021 Ty O’Neill type, then I would be okay with Goldy at 2. But we don’t – we are giving up too many on-base opportunities.
June 4, 2023 at 12:10 pm #223231
jj-cf-stlParticipantProblem is Goldy has been one of the worst at driving in others this season, so they are taking advantage of his obp/runs scored.
It’s a one-third of a season sample so do you just ignore that?
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