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May 4, 2023 at 9:10 am #218905
1:15 p.m.
RHP Adam Wainwright (season debut) vs. RHP Spencer Turnbull (1-4, 6.84)
BSM // KMOX // WIJR
(and Bally Sports South/Southwest)May 5, 2023 at 6:59 am #219081When it comes down to counting on a 41 year old pitcher to right the ship…..
It means the club missed badly on evaluating / crystal balling almost every starting pitcher on the team for one reason or another.
May 5, 2023 at 7:30 am #219084Adam just has to be better than Woodford. Let’s hope for that.
May 5, 2023 at 10:27 am #219097If nothing else, keeping them in the game for his five innings. I didn’t look at the data, but it feels like they’ve given up a fair number of runs early and have to play from behind. Of course, the offense could also take some pressure off which they haven’t been consistently good at, either.
May 5, 2023 at 1:03 pm #219113Being marginally better than Woodford really doesn’t help.
This team needs Wainwright to be really good as in a prototype #2 good and then hope Liberatore can also be that good.
So IF those two can be really good, Montgomery can stay good, and Mikolas can be ok then sure we might be onto something.
But this team has kinda already burned off any slack they might have had if they intend to compete for the division.
From this point forward they pretty much have to play like a 100 win team for the rest of the season to get to 93-94 wins…
May 6, 2023 at 5:20 am #219231We come in with a .303 win pct which equates 49-113.
Wainwright is physically diminished, but he knows what he is doing and he is not lacking in resolve. He will be working with Contreras for the first time in a meaningful situation. It is going to be weird seeing him make the walk in from the pen without Yadi at his side. In the midst of this mess, it will be good to see him take the mound, whatever happens.
May 6, 2023 at 9:11 am #219261Bling,
I do not want see Wainwright get destroyed. A final year of 4-10 with an era 5+ on a 4th or 5th place team would not be a great way for him to wrap up his career.
If it looks like that I’d rather he just hang up his cleats.
May 6, 2023 at 10:38 am #2192661. Lars Nootbaar (L) RF
2. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
3. Willson Contreras (R) DH
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Alec Burleson (L) LF
6. Paul DeJong (R) SS
7. Brendan Donovan (L) 2B
8. Dylan Carlson (S) CF
9. Andrew Knizner (R) CMay 6, 2023 at 11:01 am #219269Here are the moves made this morning by the #STLCards. They now have three catchers on the roster.
Zuniga optioned out to make room for Adam Wainwright. pic.twitter.com/uSdHshSPLq
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) May 6, 2023
May 6, 2023 at 12:38 pm #219284The Cardinals aren’t just considering using Willson Contreras in the outfield. They will be.
Contreras won’t catch much over the next couple of weeks. He’ll be used primarily as a DH and corner outfielder. More soon on @TheAthleticMLB
— Katie Woo (@katiejwoo) May 6, 2023
Looks like OF clarity is now our catcher playing in the OF.
May 6, 2023 at 12:39 pm #219285They DFA’d Motter again, lol. I’d guess he goes unclaimed and ends up back in Memphis.
Barrera up? Why? Knizner in trouble? Oh just saw it: Contreras to OF? Sorry but wtf?
I think Liberatore will be called up soon. Just gotta be.
If Wainwright is out of gas they are out of bullets.
Mikolas is serviceable. Matz does not appear to be.
Such is the life of a mangy dog.
May 6, 2023 at 12:41 pm #219286Is Hicks still in St. Louis?
If so, I have one question – WHY???????????????
May 6, 2023 at 12:48 pm #219288Hicks refused to voluntarily go to Memphis.
He had been better until last night.
They have to keep him in StL or trade him or DFA him but he would then just declare free agency and they’d get nothing for him ..
May 6, 2023 at 12:56 pm #219290So are the Cardinals officially blaming our pitching woes on Contreras?
I can’t imagine playing him in the OF will help our OF defense. Good grief.
May 6, 2023 at 12:57 pm #219292So, #STLCards are pulling catching duties back from Contreras after stressing they signed him to catch. Not sure how pitchers are supposed to learn to trust new guy when this happens? And yes, there have been examples of him being shaken off before bad results. Two-way street.
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) May 6, 2023
Willson Contreras said he and Yadier Molina talked recently on FaceTime. Yadi told him to keep doing what you’re doing and trust your game. The Tres Barrera promotion surprised him, but he said he will do whatever is asked to help #STLCards win. Wants to catch. Came here to catch
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) May 6, 2023
May 6, 2023 at 12:58 pm #219293Adding to this, #STLCards making this shift before heading to Chicago for first time is relevant. Contreras got dinged there pretty bad at times for defense and game management. Windy City will have a field day with it after comments Willson made about switching sides of rivalry.
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) May 6, 2023
Can clarify this. The Barrera promotion was a surprise. The shifting role was not. That meeting happened a couple days ago. Contreras shagged flies in left field yesterday. https://t.co/wM4MQkKSQk
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) May 6, 2023
May 6, 2023 at 1:15 pm #219294Mo had one must do job this winter, find a replacement for Yadi, so he gets a guy for 5 years. Now they need to find a position the guy can play. Jeesh, this whole thing is circling the drain.
May 6, 2023 at 1:46 pm #219296the 87.5 million catcher now an outfielder. you can’t make this stuff up.
May 6, 2023 at 1:51 pm #219297Nice 3 run homer by Dylan!
May 6, 2023 at 1:52 pm #219298Turnbull sucks. They will finally win a game. I won’t watch as I need to go out but I am pretty confident.
May 6, 2023 at 2:10 pm #219303Haven’t heard any Herrera talk in a long time. Reality derailed that hype train for good.
May 6, 2023 at 2:34 pm #219306Waino with his first trouble of the game in the 5th at 60+ pitches.
May 6, 2023 at 2:45 pm #219307Scanning the twitterverse, it sounds like Contreras will be mostly doing DH. Which means there is now a pileup there. Fourth outfielder and extra middle infielder and now Contreras, who will probably get most of the reps.
Longer term, he is owed 87.5 over 5 years, so we will see a lot of him, just not catching, presumably. Face it, he’s as good of a catcher as he is going to be, so if its not good enough now it won’t be later. E-gad things are a mess. I’m thinking a multi year to clean up mess. How many years depends on how serious BDW is about it.
May 6, 2023 at 2:46 pm #219308Waino gave up the lead, 3-3.
May 6, 2023 at 2:51 pm #219309Arenado – breakout HR? Let’s hope!!
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