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I have no idea what this team can do at this point.
Fire Marmol and give the team to Stubby for the rest of the year is all I can think of.
These games are hard to even follow. Hopefully they can start anew with May starting. All we seem to be lacking in a season ending injury to a pitcher. Almost expecting it from Helsey
Well, that’s the end of a road trip that could be termed atrocious. Reminds me of quite a few west coast swings during the mid to late 70’s.
Although I’m not his biggest fan, this has reached the point that it’s not at all on the Redbird field manager. At this juncture, I don’t think it’ll do any good to cashier the manager. This team appears to have quit. Across the board and point in any direction quit. And it’s still April. Cardinal fans deserve an encore performance from Johnny. If nothing else, he needs to once again remind them to be patient…
We had a family outside work day – gardening, landscaping and that sort of thing. Whenever we do that we have music on, so I did not listen nor watch the game (which was just as well I see).
Bad days for the Beloved Birds of Busch-ville. We keep wondering when we will hit bottom, but every couple of days brings a new low.
The only answer I see is play your best defensive lineup, to give your beleaguered pitchers the best chance, settling on something that you will stick with for the next month or so, with accommodations for some platoon adjustments.
Right now we have the second worst record in the NL, 10 games out of the division lead, and 2 1/2 out of fourth place. Just a real shock based on what we thought we had coming out of Spring Training.
If things are worse on May 31, might need to pull the plug on Ollie and give the Stub-ster a shot.
I noticed something when I glanced at the standings that I thought was amusing. The Red Sox and Yankees are both one game above .500, but tied for last place in the ALE. But it gets better…They’re both tied for the last AL WC berth…Haha!
I took in the 4 games in San Francisco in person….didn’t watch any of the dodger series, but this team had zero energy and none of the OF’s are what I would call professional hitters, they are all like below 250 hitters or worse with some occasional pop and the whole team is terrible with RISP.
The starters were pretty good in the San Francisco series but they are all a bunch of #3 type starters or lower.
Not sure what to think of the bullpen the blown save by Helsley in the 2nd game of the SF series really was a bad loss on an absolute horrible pitch.
I really don’t see a lot of hope for this years team from what I saw…I was hoping Walker would have a breakout rookie year and that would help the offense which hasn’t been good against decent pitching the last several years.
Marmol may have lost the team with the O’Neil stuff from earlier; they certainly played lackadaisical in San Francisco (terrible fielding)….but Management really did not do anything to improve the team this past Offseason except the bare minimum.
They need to feel like they can win every game. Admitting they can’t would show incredible weakness, IMO.
More weakness than having the second to last won/loss record in the National League? More weakness than getting swept by a team that hadn’t swept anyone previously? Hardly.
And who cares in Woodford pitches on long or short rest? His era is 5.72. He has no chance of winning a game against the Dodgers, or anyone else that isn’t a cellar dweller. Make him (or someone else) the sacrificial lamb against Kershaw, and grab a desperately needed win.
We need to win three outta four or three in a row to get some confidence, not wasting our time worrying about what other teams think of us. And winning three in a row starts with one win!
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, it is the first time since 1907 St. Louis has been at least 10 games behind the division leader at the end of April.
Failure to develop, trade for or sign a solid 1 and 2 pitcher since at least 2019 has come to roost! And unfortunately the future looks bleak with only Matz and Mikolas back! I think big money (A.Nola) or tons of young players(S.Ohtani) will now be required or both to give us a chance next year!
I thought 10 games back in April might be a club record, ZTR. I certainly couldn’t remember being that far back this early. I guess I’m still pretty young…
From the box score I see that 12 pitchers appeared in the game. 6 for each team, in a 9 inning game. Its not just us I guess.
As they say the best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time. We can’t worry right now about how many games back we are. We just need to focus on winning a series then another then another.
We have all analyzed this team every way imaginable and the whole thing still befuddles me. We knew this team had some weaknesses but I don’t think anyone could have expected it to be this bad. Not even close.
At this point I think it is fair to say that this first month of the season has been an epic failure for the entire organization. Management has been bad, the manager has been bad, and the players have been bad in every facet, including hitting, pitching, and defense.
As bikemike said the best thing we can do at this point is put our best defensive team out on the field each day. That at least gives our pitching a better chance. Replacing Marmol with McEwing or Clapp might give us a jolt of energy. Bringing up Liberatore and getting Wainwright back might help the rotation a bit, but at this point, I think we are all just grasping for straws.
I think we are all just grasping for straws.
You ain’t kidding. When demoting Walker and signing Motter doesn’t bring about clarity and rhythm, what’s the solution?
I really hate to be one of those guys always beating up on the manager and demanding his head after every bad game, but it sure is tempting, and I can’t deny I wish somebody else was running our team (by the way, who, in fact, is running this team?) but I’m getting close to jumping on the dump Marmol bandwagon. But then I ask myself, how many plate appearances has Ollie had his year? How many pitches has he thrown? How many runners has he left languishing on base? While I firmly believe he overmanages and I think he often makes moves only because he is afraid not to, he can’t drive in runs or throw strikes. Neither, apparently, can those millionaires out there on the grass.
When demoting Walker and signing Motter doesn’t bring about clarity and rhythm, what’s the solution?
lol, good one Euro.
While I firmly believe he overmanages and I think he often makes moves only because he is afraid not to, he can’t drive in runs or throw strikes. Neither, apparently, can those millionaires out there on the grass.
At the end of the day, yep. Its the guys on the field who have to make it happen.
Baseball and golf have a lot of mental similarities.
Feeling good and being confident seem to have a real impact on performance.
Getting your guys comfortable and keeping them that way with routine, fielding position, batting order slot etc. plays a big part in performance.
I think the in game moves Marmol makes are strictly by the analytics book as in he probably has a app on his phone the organization wrote for him. No ‘by feel’ but I’m just guessing at that.
Either way there have been some really strange things happen with in game decisions that many have pointed out along the way – so there is that.
Finally, sometimes you just have to shake things up to wake up potential. A different voice, a different practice routine. Confidence is the key and this team needs to find it from somewhere.
At some point it would better to write off the season. I don’t know if it’s 20 games under .500 or what. But at that point you can get the jump on next season.
The most obvious need is to get big league experience for Walker. He started strong, the league adjusted, and we didn’t give him time adjust to their adjustment. If we are preparing for next year, we can tell Walker to go out there and relax and play and get experience.
Maybe there are some others that we aren’t sure about. Give them a shot as well. Maybe there are some prospects they have their eyes on. You sell at the trade deadline.
They have played one month. They have to play three more before the trade deadline. Those are good thoughts if the team continues on its current path, and as you said, might be considerations down the road.
P.S. This is not a reply to you, LB, but a more general reminder. No teams are ready to trade yet and the Cards could not make a trade partner become interested. It is just too early in the season to worry about trade scenarios.
Personally, I don’t think the problem is analytics, lineup construction or any other kind of tweaking around the margins.
I think it is that radical concept of 26 players just playing badly. The solution is for them to stop playing badly, imo.
Now whether there is an optimal combination of 26 players is a problem for another day.
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