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Our current 3-6 hitters are hitting .325, .302, .313 and .302. You’d think we had a potent offense until you looked at the rest of the lineup. 😄
The Cardinals win 7-2 to improve to 12-13 on the season. It was Wainwright’s first complete game in over four years.
He said he texted Shildt last night with three words – “I got you.”
He said he also told his wife, John Gant and others last night that he was going to pitch a complete game.
Great, gutsy performance by Wainright!
Just what the doctor ordered and the kind of inspiring effort that could rally the team to start a winning streak.
Go Cards!
Damn those double plays! I just hate ’em.
I do especially when Yadi hits into one AND is the runner to be put on 2B in the extra inning. Mind as well put a turtle out there. I did not realize that the last out from the previous inning had to be put on 2B. I guess it stopped the teams from putting one of their jackrabbits out there.
Catch up on Sunday's #stlcards milestone-filled win over Cleveland at Busch Stadium. Standouts include Adam Wainwright, Yadier Molina, Dexter Fowler and Paul DeJong. (free) https://t.co/uaelw86uEX pic.twitter.com/ujKgjtCX5P
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) August 30, 2020
Great pitching by waino but he did have the benefit of more than one or two runs by our offense. Hopefully we can keep it rolling with cincinatti.
Nice, solid win. Waino is still amazing. Great way to celebrate being as old as Jack Benny.
In other news, I saw the Cubs aquifer our old buddy Jose Martinez. Now Rats can dislike him for a reason other than him being a “goofball”.
What a surprise to see @Jack9Flaherty waiting on me at the airport like this… then I was wheel-chaired all the way to the plane. He respects his elders so much. Good one young fella. pic.twitter.com/hdlX8XPirH
— Adam Wainwright (@UncleCharlie50) August 30, 2020
Don’t overlook the nice running catches by Edman and Carlson to preserve Waino’s complete game. It was almost as if they were preserving a no-hitter. They each swung the bat well today too, along with Dex.
Really good team effort today. We are not star-studded, but this is a good group. Just make the playoffs and anything can happen.
Want to send a big thank you out to everybody who wished me a happy birthday today! Today was a special day that I'll never forget. Thank you for always supporting me over the years! I love being a part of @Cardinals nation!
— Adam Wainwright (@UncleCharlie50) August 31, 2020
Waino turned 39 on this day. He is as close to 37 as he is to 40. He wanted to throw 122 pitches. His manager was ok with him throwing 122. What is the concern?
I tried to think of some old pitchers. Nolan Ryan and Jamie Moyer came to mind. Ryan pitched as a starter until age 46. Moyer continued to 49.
I checked Moyer’s age 39 season (2002). He had one outing of more than 122 pitches.
In Ryan’s age 39 season (1986), B-R doesn’t list pitch counts. The first year they did is 1988, when Ryan was 41. He had eight starts of more than 122 pitches that season.“I cant condone having a pitcher that is nearing 40 throwing 122 pitches. Makes no sense.”
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Under ordinary circumstances I would very likely agree with you about the pitch count, CC, birthday boy or not. I mean, Adam was dreadful immediately after his 126-pitch effort last season — the only game last year when he threw 110+ pitches. In his next start he was dreadful, and despite having two extra days of rest before that outing.
But in this game, he was rolling at the end. Waino still hit 91 MPH in the 9th inning, and he needed very few pitches over the last 3-4 innings. Moreover, he was twirling in a relatively low-stress environment with a comfy lead over those final frames.
And there’s something else I rarely (basically never) see mentioned by other conservative-minded pitch count trackers like myself. And that is the primacy of pitches-per-inning. I can’t help thinking that 122 pitches spread out over 9 innings and 2 1/2 hours might be less taxing physically than say 110 pitches over 6 innings and 45 fewer minutes.
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All things considered, I see 122 tosses as a gray area decision on this particular day. At 115 I’d have had zero concern. And at 127 or so I’d have started to get upset.
I apologize if it feels like we’re piling on, CC. In general, I absolutely believe in erring on caution’s side with the pitch counts. (I think Shildt’s sole powerful virtue as a manager is that he feels the same way that we do. Usually.)
Shildt tends to back his players, especially his veterans, with Wainwright and Molina at the top of the list. Given Waino’s pre-announcement to pitch a complete game and that he could throw at least 120 pitches, Shildt was put in a bit of a bind.
Bob, I did not remember the aftermath of the 126-pitch outing last season. It will be worth watching for a possible recurrence for sure.
I do feel it was a big moment for the 2020 team. A fifth consecutive loss to close the homestand could have meant the beginning of the end for this season.
Wainwright put the team on his back yesterday. Hopefully it is the spark they needed to soldier on through this strange year.
I think a .500 record probably gets the Cards into the postseason tournament and as 2011 proved, anything can happen once a team is in.
About this 7 inning issue… don’t forget there will most likely be 0 on the entire MLB schedule for next season… and only used for make-ups (rain or otherwise). I have liked the runner on 2B since it was adopted by the MiLB levels. No, no on the NL DH.
A lot of pros and cons on the 3 batters…. I would like to see a stat on whether it is saving so much time as to adopt permanently. Speaking of time wasted, my real pet peeve is seeing two umpires standing around with headsets on for what seems like an eternity. Either find a way to speed it up significantly or dump it altogether.
IMO without replay, you win some lose some… just like plate umpires make up for close calls. That is pretty much universal and you see it all the time.
BTW… if you didn’t catch the end of yesterday’s BMW Championship, you missed a whole lot of WOW. I nearly fell out of my Laz-y Boy.
I would have felt bad for Jon Rahm if he had lost… he already was counting his 1.7 million for winning while waiting for Johnson to finish. He heard the roar and probably was thinking “damn”.
Just great stuff. Check out the replay… even if you don’t care for golf.14NyquistT wrote: IMO without replay, you win some lose some… just like plate umpires make up for close calls. That is pretty much universal and you see it all the time.
That may have been alright before the Supreme Court okayed gambling on professional sports but not any longer. All of those rule changes came by as a result of either technology or in an effort to shorten the game. Gambling being legal makes watching umpires a must and the more judgement you remove from them the more certain you will be of the winner. Replay proves that mistakes are made and can now be corrected. Technology with the electronic strike zone will improve the accuracy of the calls and remove a lot of griping from both sides. I can understand the old timers and I am one too but there are certain points in all sports that tend to get ones Irish up and MLB is just trying to reduce some of that.
As for the 3 batter rule and the man on 2B start of overtime I am not a fan favorite but none of those stand up to the DH in the NL. I have come to not be totally against it but will always feel it was jammed down the NLs throat by the Covid-19 Season.So Waino is now Nolan Ryan?
Might want to check that math Brian. 39 is definitely closer to 40 than to 37.
I hope DeWitt isnt paying Shildt to cater to Waino and Molina. If Shildt doesnt have what it takes to get out of “a bind” like that he shouldn’t be the manager.
What is the concern? See Bob’s comments on what happened after Waino’s high pitch game last year. So just because Shildt isn’t concerned I shouldn’t be?
Yes .500 ball should get us into an expanded playoff. I think there are only 5 NL teams with winning records.
CC said:
So Waino is now Nolan Ryan?
He can be Jamie Moyer if you prefer. It was clearly explained as a simple example that older pitchers have been known to pitch deep into games.
Might want to check that math Brian. 39 is definitely closer to 40 than to 37.
366 days backward from Waino’s age yesterday, 39 years, 0 days, is 37 years, 364 days. The latter person is still 37 years old.
365 days forward from 39 years, 0 days is 40 years, 0 days.So just because Shildt isn’t concerned I shouldn’t be?
That is different. Had you said you were concerned, I might have agreed with you as I agreed with Bob. He also shared data to support his view, which really helped. Your original statement was much stronger and seemed more emotional.
I hope DeWitt isnt paying Shildt to cater to Waino and Molina. If Shildt doesnt have what it takes to get out of “a bind” like that he shouldn’t be the manager.
It may seem elementary from our vantage point to manage a clubhouse of 28 disparate personalities. Baseball history is filled with stories of managers who became ex-managers when they lost their clubhouse. No faster way to accomplish that than to piss off two future team Hall of Famers.
Of course, he also has to not be a pushover. As far as I can tell, he remains well-respected by the team. Externally, he was respected enough to be named the NL Manager of the Year.
My bottom line:
Even the Indians respected what Wainwright did on Sunday, applauding him at the end of the game.
If he bombs from here or out or goes on the IL, then bring this up then. In the meantime, why not appreciate the result?
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