November 21, 2018 at 11:47 am #74796
Going to end the vote:
#76 – Adanson Cruz, OF
#77 – Jesus Cruz, RHP
#78 – Roel Ramirez, RHP
#79 – Andrew Morales, RHP
#80 – Andrew Warner, OF
#81 – Jacob Schlesener, LHP
#82 – Brady Whalen, 1B
#83 – Terry Fuller, OF
#84 – Irving Lopez, 2B
#85 – Wood Myers, IF
#86 – Kevin Woodall, OF/1B
#87 – Stan Espinal, 1B/3B
#88 – Mike O’Reilly, RHP
#89 – Jean Selmo, OF
#90 – Ian Oxnevad, LHP
#91 – Connor Cowward, RHP
#92 – Donovan Williams, 2B
#93 – Edwin Figuera, IF
#94 – Brandon Riley, OF
#95 – Hector Mendoza, RHP
#96 – Steven Trosclair, 1B
#97 – Perry DellaValle, RHP
#98 – Jacob Patterson, LHP
#99 – Johan Mieses, OF
#100 – Matt Pearce, RHPNovember 21, 2018 at 12:03 pm #74798
Well done, everyone!! I just ran out of time to do the rest of my list from 75-100 and it would have been next week in all likelihood before I had time. Looking forward to seeing how all this pans out!!December 25, 2018 at 5:46 pm #78510
Paul IviceParticipantPaid - Annual
With a .901 OPS batting right-handed (his natural side) in 2018 and only .655 OPS batting left-handed, Dylan Carlson might be better off hitting right-handed all the time.December 25, 2018 at 9:08 pm #78516
In both 2016 and 2017 Carlson was better from the left side. PB is notoriously bad statistically for LH hitters. I wouldn’t make that move yet.December 26, 2018 at 10:49 am #78560
Do the Cards keep Carlson at PB, or do they move the 20 year old to the more hitter friendly AA Texas League.December 26, 2018 at 5:31 pm #78588
Bob ReedParticipantPaid - Annual
“Do the Cards keep Carlson at PB, or do they move the 20-year-old to the more hitter-friendly AA Texas League?”
Oh, I think it’s nearly a fait accompli that he’s going to Springfield to start the season, Ny. Barring injury, anyway.
Despite superficially uninteresting numbers in 2018, Carlson was an above average hitter (112 wRC+) for the Florida State League — and moreover he was markedly better during the second half.
First half: .237/.333/.341
Second half: .253/.352/.411
That .352/.411 would be a roughly 120 wRC+, and it came with a sturdy 34/50 BB/K ratio. Solid enough for any budding corner outfielder, and terrific for a teenaged one in that league.December 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm #78610
Personally I’d like to see them slow down the process. He’s being given the Pete Kozma treatment; that’s advancing him before he has excelled at each level. Why the rush? Let the kid gain confidence through domination. Right now they are advancing him when he becomes adequate at each level. I don’t care what the metrics say. They ruined Kozma’s career by trying to rush him to the bigs. Perhaps they could pump the brakes a few times on Carlson’s rise through the system.December 27, 2018 at 9:20 am #78648
The two preceding opinions are what is facing the organization. Carlson has not dominated at any of the three levels he has played in. And although PB is notoriously hitter unfriendly, let him get some confidence and then move him to Springfield. That could happen at any time during the season. There are a multitude of OFers at MEM and SPFD, so there’s no alarm to rush him.. That stated… Carlson could be special and will be under the St. Louis casual fan’s radar in ’20.December 27, 2018 at 10:01 am #78664
I think he would gain a lot more confidence hitting in the Texas League rather than the Florida League. Slow him down once he hits AA and see what happens. I’m all for quick promotions up to AA, then let a guy get 500 PAs there and 500 in AAA.December 27, 2018 at 10:12 am #78665
I’m just saying that he hasn’t really mastered any level… AA might be the fourth for him. Not what I want to see happen.December 27, 2018 at 10:44 am #78671
120 wrc+ is more than adequate!December 27, 2018 at 10:58 am #78675
Brian WaltonKeymasterPaid - Annual
Carlson has not yet had a 120 wRC+ season. Besides, who can get excited about an adequate player or one who is slightly more than adequate? 😉December 27, 2018 at 3:55 pm #78694
Bob ReedParticipantPaid - Annual
I would have left Carlson in Peoria for more than a couple of weeks this year…but other than that, I’d say the Redbirds have handled him okay.
I do agree with Pads, in that I’d like to see Dylan get plenty of high minors seasoning. (Heaven knows the club has outfielders aplenty in AAA and the majors right now.) We shouldn’t look down our noses at what DC managed to do as a teenager in the Florida State League, however. His BB/K was distinctly better than Ryan Braun had at age 22 in the FSL, and his isolated power topped both Bagwell and Big Frank Thomas in the same league when they were each 21. Here are some details:
Dylan Carlson at 19 in the FSL, .136 isolated slugging overall and .158 in the 2nd half.
Elehuris Montero at 19, .122 ISO.
Frank Thomas at 21, also .122
Bagwell at 21, .109 ISO.
Ryan Braun at 22, 23/54 BB/K
Matt Carpenter at 23 batted .219/.286/.342 with a mediocre 10/24 BB/K
I don’t mean to imply that Montero or Carlson will be stars — best bet, they’ll be solid regulars instead. Just wanted to illustrate with historical context what you guys already knew: it can be very hard for anyone to hit baseballs in the Florida State League.December 28, 2018 at 2:48 pm #78792
Randy Arozarena, Lane Thomas, Adolis Garcia, Justin Williams, Tyler O’Neill all ahead of Dylan Carlson in the minors. Again, and this is just my opinion, but what’s the rush. If the concern is that he’ll backslide at a lower level, that is a concern. Let him kick ass at an appropriate level like Montero and O’Neill and then promote him accordingly, hoping with glowing accolades to build his confidence. I want him coming to St.Louis knowing he has blown away the minors and belongs, not with questions of whether he’s there because he’s the teams silverspoon.February 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm #81131
I think that TCN did a very good job with the top-50 and beyond Community). Participation was A-1 Prospects 1500 came out with their rankings recently and you can see how their list differed with our’s, and there are some glaring differences. See
Schrock, YGonzalez, Dunn, Patterson, Woodfield, Mendoza, JimenezL, Denton, IHerrera,Thomas, Kruczynski.February 3, 2019 at 9:29 am #81150
CARDINALS PROSPECTS ON BASEBALLHQ’S 2019 MEGA-LISTS
FEBRUARY 3, 2019 BRIAN WALTON
Sleeper: Justin Toerner OF (28) had a solid collegiate career at Cal State Northridge, but did nothing to suggest he was worthy of an early-round pick. The 21-year-old Toerner tore through three levels, compiling a line of .312/.410/.385.
Did we underestimate Toerner? The Community had him at #64. One participant doesn’t see him as a sleeper but rather had him at #34!! That ol’ Wiley might have picked up on something the rest of us didn’t see.
Wiley might have made the best catch of the whole rankings.
I believe Toerner will start ’19 at Peoria where he played 7 games late in the season after playing at State College for most of ’18. He also was called up to Palm Beach for 10 games on Aug 14th, when there were many moves within the organization.
If the minor league guys upstairs want to challenge Toerner (22), he may be pushed up to Palm Beach, with Springfield within reach later in ’19. Especially since the organization’s projected OF is thin at Palm Beach.
Toerner is in a position now to step up or to fizzle. Its hard to predict.February 3, 2019 at 9:39 am #81152
Brian WaltonKeymasterPaid - Annual
Another data point along these lines… As I noted at the time, Toerner was invited to Instructional Camp and as such, stood out as the only 2018 draftee there who had been taken later than the sixth round. That told me a lot about what the organization thinks of him.February 3, 2019 at 11:38 am #81157
gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
They weren’t as high on Genesis Cabrera and Lane Thomas as most but they did speak very highly of Jhon Torres. I keep forgetting about Torres. I know people were sad to Mercado leave but that may turn out to be a very shrewd trade. I have to give Mo and Girsch props for that one. (See I can dish out compliments too).
But they didn’t rank Nogowski! As the board’s biggest Nogowski supporter I just can’t accept that…lol
February 28, 2019 at 10:27 am #83028
- This reply was modified 7 months, 2 weeks ago by gscottar.
The TCN top-50 list, because it was done early included some prospects that have been traded (Wisdom-Greene) and two spots left vacant (Young) and O’Neill, these spots were filled by moving the next prospects in order down on the list. So to compare ours with other lists, the revised list looks like this.
46-50 from Community, DS & BW voting.March 1, 2019 at 8:01 pm #83152
Why is O’Neil’s spot vacant?March 1, 2019 at 8:06 pm #83153
I think he meant Kelly’s spot. O’Neill should still be on there.July 6, 2019 at 12:42 pm #97114
Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
Ponce Deleon is now off the list. He has 56 innings plus.September 2, 2019 at 12:15 pm #104817
Is PadsFS coming back to do the 2020 list this year?September 2, 2019 at 12:56 pm #104821
I did my preliminary list last night. 70 guys for 50 spots. Not that I see us as that deep but the last 30 or so are mostly potential plays. Just have to figure out which 10 have the most potential and are likely to come close to reaching it.September 4, 2019 at 8:36 am #105027
Edman-PonceDeLeon-O’Neill-Gallegos no longer prospects.
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