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Nootbaar, Donovan, Edman, Gorman, Walker, Carlson and Burleson. How would you rate them one through seven, right now?
I hope you’re not mad at me, Shady, and if so, I hope you don’t stay mad. And if you’re not mad at me, please just ignore.
Shady, do not post critical comments about other posters. No one broke the rules other than you. If you cannot stand the heat, then stop starting new threads. But it is clear you cannot help yourself.
Im going to guess value based on BTV which im not paying for.
Noot
Donovan
Walker
Gorman
Burly
CarlsonTaking into account production, years of control, injury history and trade value:
Burly
Donovan
Walker
Gorman
Noot
CarlsonGorman + Herrera + Roby + McGreevy = 3-4 years of a Controlable ace?
https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/valuing-major-leaguers
I found this. It explains how they come up with the values. For instance, i probably have Noot over rated at this point because he has been injured and hasnt had time to build much war. I would say Donovan is definitely our highest value player right now. Burly continues to rise.
Carlson would have minimal interest. A semi useful bench player, as per his usage with the Cardinals.
I think Gorman’s value is dropping fast. Bottom of the order hitter with sporadic pop and poor contact skills. Barely average defender. I think they should send him down for a rework like Walker, but they won’t.
Walker is probably worth less than he was.
Burleson is the big gainer.
No one included Edman on their list. I think that he can contribute the most upon his return.
Edman
Donovan
Gorman
Burleson
Nootbaar
Walker
carlsonMo could have some valuable trade chips for needed starting pitchers in the offseason. By the end of the season, Burly could be the most “untouchable” of the seven. Who would have thunk it going into the season? Would Mo use one of these trade chips to get a needed starting pitcher by this trade deadline?
Here are the current BTV numbers:
Noot- 35.6
Burleson- 31.3
Donovan- 31.1
Gorman- 29.9
Walker- 19.2
Edman- 3.0
Carlson- 0.2“Would Mo use one of these trade chips to get a needed starting pitcher by this trade deadline?” I’m talking a much needed quality starting pitcher.
BTV is just one point of view. There are 30 other unique points of view out there that probably each evaluates these guys very differently. I sincerely doubt any executive is using BTV. I used to find their ratings laughable. But I do think they’ve improved somewhat over the years.
One executive might put Walker at $80 million. And the next one might put him at $5 million. There is a lot of disparity amongst opinions of players.
As much as i like Burleson I didnt expect his btv to be that high. Good for him. I guess the developement of his power game outweighs his lack of speed and defense.
I would put it this way:
Donovan and Burleson’s stock is rising (a “buy” in investment terms)
Nootbaar’s stock is staying steady (a “hold” in investment terms)
Walker and Gorman are trending down (a “sell”)
Carlson is a penny stock – not worth anything (a “strong sell”)
KCB, the default BTV values (before they put their thumb on the scale with various overrides near the trade deadline) tend to have some recency bias in their forecasts. Burleson’s BTV has increased over $20mm based on roughly 350 additional PAs. Without commenting on the absolute values of their estimates, that’s a big change based on a small sample. To Jnevel’s point, teams have their own proprietary models with different parameters, and therefore may forecast future performance and value differently.
Regarding your specific question, a big driver of his value is the fact that he is still making MLB minimum and isn’t arb eligible until 2026. An average MLB starter (roughly 2 WAR, which is what he’s pacing toward this year) is incredibly valuable when his salary is only $750K.
Nootbaar’s 35.6 TV seems like the logical trade chip for a quality starting pitcher by the trade deadline. Some considerations include. Noot has spent quite a bit of time on the injured list. And that’s if Siani and Carlson can be adequate in CF with Burleson continuing to play regularly in RF. Before Burly transitions to the regular 1B next season. Also, Edman seems fairly close to returning to help out in CF. What it comes down to is Burleson’s and Siani’s progress may allow the Cardinals to trade Nootbaar for the needed starting pitching help by the trade deadline.
Burleson should not be in the outfield at all, let alone “regularly.” It has taken an absurdly unlucky slew of injuries (and a thin roster) to justify the number innings he has played in the OF thus far.
In only 835 innings (just over half a season):
-10 DRS
-14 OAA
-10 FRV
-7.7 UZR
-10 Fielding RAANo way to spin it, those numbers are just bad.
RBK, so do you not want Burleson’s outstanding bat in RF, playing decent defense, Contreras DHing, to enable Pages’ brilliant defensive catching? Picking up a really good starting pitcher in a trade for either Nootbaar or Gorman. Please show me your better plan to advance in the playoffs. The Cardinals current starting pitching ain’t going to allow for much advancement in the playoffs.
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