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August 24, 2024 at 10:20 am #265375
No credit given from me. I’m not getting back on the bandwagon this year, lol.
They are still 5 out of WC3 by the way even with the massive 3 game winning streak that has them back level.
August 24, 2024 at 10:38 am #265377
jj-cf-stlParticipantWe are x-base hit challenged. Willson has been the constant. Winn and Burly rank 2nd and 3rd in slg% among our 9 qualifiers in 2024. That’s a nice addition, from 2023, but the other 6 regulars are back there in the dust.
August 24, 2024 at 11:41 am #265381We are RBI challenged. It doesn’t matter what guys do when it doesn’t matter. I don’t care what their SLG is when it doesn’t matter.
August 24, 2024 at 11:41 am #265382We need to go something like 26-8 over the final 34 games to even stand a chance of getting in. Even that might not get us in. The odds are really low. But I guess there’s a chance.
August 24, 2024 at 11:57 am #265383
jj-cf-stlParticipantShow “when it matters”. Its make believe to a discussion w/out showing what you mean. Above is overall “thump”, run with it.
August 24, 2024 at 12:30 pm #265384In the context of RBIs, when it matters means with RISP, for anyone pretending to not understand.
August 24, 2024 at 1:26 pm #265385Well, how about a hitter’s proficiency at pushing runs across when presented with a PA with a baserunner situated at 1B? In that situation he normally needs to produce an extra base hit or a tater to add to his RBI total. Aren’t those two types of hits more indicative of a hitter who could be termed a “slugger?” I’m not making an argument that disputes the importance of a hitter’s BA with RISP, but there are certainly other factors to measure a hitter’s ability during what are termed clutch situations. I’ve always tended to place the most emphasis on the 2 out RBI as a primary indicator of a hitter who produces when an RBI is critical, but the importance of any particular game can also factor in.
August 24, 2024 at 1:39 pm #265386The Cardinals have struggled with RISP this year, but getting on base and slugging matter no matter when you do it.
You gotta get on to get in. You don’t see guys that slug .350, but most of it coming with runners on second and third. Over time, it tends to even out. Many of our guys have been lousy with RISP this year, because they are also lousy when the bases are empty.
August 24, 2024 at 1:46 pm #265387Yeah, a player who can swing the bat will have nice looking numbers across the board over time. Baseball is a game of averages and those averages eventually even out.
August 24, 2024 at 1:49 pm #265388Oh, speaking of all this stuff, in that 1964 parallel universe site I have followed this summer, one of the St. Louis papers came up with stat called “Opportunit to Drive in a Run”. I think it was acronymed OBAR, or maybe just OBA. Anyway, they did a percentage of times a hitter was up with runners on second and or third divided by the number of those runners he drove in. They also added home runs to the numerator and denominator. What was unclear was what they did with a home run with runners on first and second – it did not specify what they did about driving in a guy who was on first.
Not surprising, Ken Boyer lead the club in the stat, but then he lead the entire league in RBI. I still love the RBI stat – it is my go-to “clutch” stat. An RBi is clutch whether it is done in inning number 1 or inning number 9.
Surprisingly, light hitting Julian Javier was second on the team. He was making his hits count.
August 24, 2024 at 2:00 pm #265389Surprisingly, light hitting Julian Javier was second on the team. He was making his hits count.
Where did Dal Maxvill fit in with this new stat, BicycleMike?
August 24, 2024 at 2:12 pm #265390Javier had arguably the biggest hit of the ’67 WS. His 3 run tater off of Lonborg in game 7 was the death knell for the Red Sox and transformed their Impossible Dream into a nightmare.
August 24, 2024 at 2:42 pm #265391Julian’s son (Stan) could a poke a long one every now and then too. The Julian-Stan father-son combo accounted for 135 ML career taters. Julian is still alive and kicking at age 88.
August 24, 2024 at 3:22 pm #265392
jj-cf-stlParticipantAll risp are not created equal. A risp PA can be ahead by 6 runs, or down 6 runs. Define “when it matters”.
August 24, 2024 at 4:22 pm #265395Obviously an RBI to tie, grab a lead or win are the gold standards in the context of when it matters. And when they come late in an inportant game, they really matter. I’m thinking Molina in the 9th of game 7 of the ’06 NLCS, and both Freese and Berkman in the 9th and 10th respectively in game 6 of the ’11 WS.
August 24, 2024 at 7:25 pm #265409
jj-cf-stlParticipantEvery AB is an RBI opp. Every PA matters.
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