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Does anyone other than the headline writer interpret Shildt’s comments as a “bizarre tirade”? Click bait, anyone?
Per Merriam-Webster, a tirade is “a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language.”
The latter part is just the opposite of Shildt, but hey, at least they got the “protracted” part right!
“there are more and more fans here commenting on how the FO let us down.”
I’m sure I put “HERE”. But I consider the people HERE with opinions are more than the casual fans at Busch that are texting and taking selfies during the game just to show their friends that they are actually at a baseball game.
Anyway I counted many more folks critical of the FO…. just on this topic. And its just a game thread.
Reporter Jeff Jones shared a number of Shildt’s comments on Twitter.
Finally, asked why he felt like he needed to make a point to say this today – and it was coming out no matter what he was asked – here was his answer. pic.twitter.com/pFo9D1Mp9m
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) June 26, 2019
Next was some back and forth about comebacks looking different in context of games that have gotten away. Then Shildt was asked if his frustration is with the media. His response: pic.twitter.com/VfBJ67PhdL
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) June 26, 2019
Next, Shildt was asked if he feels the perception of this team has been harmed by the past three years. His answer: pic.twitter.com/8pGAJp7ORd
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) June 26, 2019
Shildt was asked about the possibility of having Berube or the Blues players in to talk to the #stlcards. This is what followed: pic.twitter.com/XywPCfJtCb
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) June 26, 2019
He sure does know how to say nothing in a whole lot of words. Not knocking him for that, because that’s what many coaches across sports do. But I learned nothing in reading that except for that he thinks he has an “elite” base running team (or at least I think that is what he was saying).
He’s no Tony LaRussa, though, when it comes to using English language, but he sure plays the victim like TLR did.
Shildt sounds like Mike Matheny each passing day. Your team isn’t 10 games over .500 anymore. Sure you’re right in the midst of the central standings but you’d have to be a fool to think this team could sustain a prolonged winning streak. What happened after you won the Angels’ series? Your team went out laid a goose egg and wouldn’t have scored any runs without a fielding blunder that was somehow ruled a triple.
Here is some informed speculation about Shildt’s motives. (Also not surprising he reads MLB.com.)
As far as commentary on the whole thing goes: today is the last #stlcards home game before the all-star break. The Stanley Cup is here. There’s a large media presence. I think Shildt saw an opportunity to drive the narrative in the direction he wanted to let linger and seized it.
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) June 26, 2019
It’s hard not to notice that Shildt had this reaction immediately after hosting friends from around baseball and lots of folks in the public for a golf tournament Monday. He referred a couple times to things someone said to him. Suspect, for better or worse, it got in his ear. https://t.co/X4e48x4TSV
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) June 27, 2019
I’m sorry. Elite fielding and base running means nothing in the grand scheme of things when you’re team fails to score. When the offense is one of the worst offenses in the league your team is boring.
AVG – 23 (12)
OBP – 19 (11)
SLG – 25 (13)
Runs – 21 (12)
RBI – 21 (12)
HRs – 23 (12)They are good at stealing bases, taking the extra base, fielding, getting walks and they don’t strike out a crap ton.
Those numbers really tell the story. The primary problem is not baserunning or defense or even pitching. They need to score more runs.
P.S. Shildt acknowledged it, but he did not say why it is going to change. I wish he had been asked why after half a season, he hasn’t made substantive changes to his daily lineup. That much is definitely under his control.
<Does anyone other than the headline writer interpret Shildt’s comments as a “bizarre tirade”?>
I tend to associate ‘tirade’ with a lot of ranting and raving. Bizarre means (to me) something seldom seen or expected. I think I have seen similar things everytime a team gets into trouble. So NO I don’t interpret his comments to be either.
Miklaz is to me just another ESPN troll on twitter. Thankfully I miss all of his posts except those that are posted here.
Well Shildt’s speech has certainly caused the implosion of Cardinals twitter, especially the part where he questions the fans about appreciating good, clean baseball and effort.
Then you have St. Louis sports writers like Derrick Goold out on twitter defending Shildt’s attack against the fans. If that quote (“I thought St. Louis appreciated good baseball”) wasn’t targeted against the fans then who the heck was it meant for?
Here’s a tweet to sum up last night’s loss:
https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1144070843309461504
If that quote (“I thought St. Louis appreciated good baseball”) wasn’t targeted against the fans then who the heck was it meant for?
That is a man who is not long for his job. Fortunately for him, he seems to be on the right side of a group who has zero accountability.
Why wouldn’t the unsuccessful St. Louis Cardinals manager insult St. Louis Cardinals fans? Seems like a wonderful idea to me.
I don’t do any social media but, of course, on this forum you see a lot of twitter posts. It seems the initial post is sometimes thoughtful but the responses seem to be mostly nothing but trolls who think they are God’s gift to the internet.
I, like many others here, come from the day where people spoke to each other face to face and had discussions of their viewpoints – not endless arguments of who is right or wrong. How ungrateful I am to want to go back to those days of no internet, cell phones and newspapers that actually reported news in a non-partisan fashion. Dream on cowboy.
However you want to remove the hyperbole of the characterization, Shildt no doubt sounds extremely frustrated….and I also believe the frustration is exacerbated because he feels somewhat powerless to fix the problem.
Those quotes make it clear he feels he was hired to be the anti-Matheny. The moves that he probably should be trying (lineups, batting order, benching players, etc.) are counter to that, so that’s why I say he might feel conflicted as to how to solve the problems. If Matheny lost the clubhouse and Shildt believes he must not repeat Matheny’s mistakes, then it makes sense why he might be walking on eggshells and reluctant to upset the applecart when it comes to the players’ feelings. He’ll drown as leader if he refuses to budge off this style.
Tried to sort through #STLCards manager Mike Shildt's speech with clear head. He made some decent points. He made some silly points. When you have fewer hits than Orioles, folks are going to fret. If players don't like the convo around team, change it. https://t.co/LKmEn5qtUe
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) June 27, 2019
Minuteman, I have noticed that you seem to really dislike it when posters on here have anything critical to say but yet you have made critical comments from time to time yourself, which is certainly your right. You have questioned Shildt’s lineups occasionally and you have made it very clear that you don’t like TV broadcasters, even referring to Jessica Mendoza as a “broad” (nice rat pack reference from the 1960’s).
This board has moderators to police things if they get out of control so how about let’s leave it to them.
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Minuteman, I have noticed that you seem to really dislike it when posters on here have anything critical to say but yet you have made critical comments from time to time yourself, which is certainly your right. You have questioned Shildt’s lineups occasionally and you have made it very clear that you don’t like TV broadcasters, even referring to Jessica Mendoza as a “broad” (nice rat pack reference from the 1960’s).>
Every forum I have participated in involves peoples opinions. So you are trying to tell me that I cannot express an opinion of your opinion. Do I have that right?
If that is the policy of this forum, I will be happy to drop out as it seems to becoming overtaken by a group of whiners. In fact, let’s just say that I WILL drop out and leave the posting of garbage to you and your fellow thinkers. Have at it. Goodbye.
So you are trying to tell me that I cannot express an opinion of your opinion. Do I have that right?
Not speaking for gscottar, but it’s not the opinions of others opinions that he questioned, I think. It’s calling other whiners and negative nellies for making critical remarks of the team (when you criticize them yourself), telling others to go pull for another team because they aren’t good fans or are trolls because they’re critical (when again you’ve been critical yourself). You know, basic hypocrisy kind of stuff.
Or maybe others haven’t learned how to be critical the right way, like yourself.
At the halfway point I think it’s fair to say this has been a disappointing Cardinals season. I’m afraid I’ve frequently been among those who have whined a bit about a number of things. I’m a lifelong fan and essentially a positive thinking person. When I’m at my gloomiest, I look at the standings and am somewhat cheered to see we are only 2.5/3.0 games out of first place. So things can’t be that bad right?(That is certainly Schildt’s outlook). Unfortunately that is thanks largely to our competition rather than the quality of our baseball. Shildt is doing only what management employees are paid to do, scour the stats for positive elements while minimizing our inadequacies.
What I would love to have is an ear in the locker room. What are these guys saying about themselves among themselves? Is there any serious post-game discussion? Any analysis by the players of their unimpressive performance, as individuals or as a group? Are they even embarrassed by the sorry offensive numbers they put up over half a season? Or are they simply making too much money to care?Euro, I think you interpreted my comments correctly.
We all have positive and negative things to say depending on the situation and I think we all should have the right to express those views as long as we attempt to keep it cordial.
I also think Brian or any other moderators should do the policing and scolding instead of fellow posters.
Agreed gscottar. I admittedly crossed the line when i replied to MM3’s comment telling me to find another team. However I don’t recall a moderator telling him him to knock it off. I do remember other posters told him to, though.
Is Shildt’s comments about St. Louis appreciating good, clean baseball aimed towards the fans or the sports writer’s who keep asking the questions about how they are going to get better? He referenced that he is constantly getting those questions and the next thought was the remark about St. Louis. I am sure that he talks to sports writers a lot more about the team than the casual fan.
Is Shildt’s comments about St. Louis appreciating good, clean baseball aimed towards the fans or the sports writer’s . . . I am sure that he talks to sports writers a lot more about the team than the casual fan.
Probably some of both, so A and B. I think he’s felt it from both elements. And if he doesn’t have dialogue with the fans, I’m sure he’s heard the tone of some of the crowd chatter and occasional groans. Even if it is a minority, you have to be pretty tone deaf to not pick up on the sentiment of a growing segment of the fans at the game with the MIA offense.
Shildt is in a tough spot, but then that is what a manager is paid to do. If Goldschmidt had been the player that he has been, a lot of this would not even be discussed.
Because we have not had a consistent threat in the middle of the order, the manager has to do damage control and talk in circles.
This is 1964 all over again, when in mid-season of that year Bill White was asked what is wrong with a disappointing Cardinal club that was stumbling around .500 while expectations were they would challenge for the pennant. White’s answer, “I am what is wrong with the Cardinals”.
So while we could be better in several areas, if you have to narrow it down to one player, Paul Goldschmidt is what is wrong with the Cardinals.
Hopefully the comp will follow course, and like White in ‘64 Goldy will tear it up in the second half. Course White had help, so we will need some others (Mikolas maybe – another one guilty of falling well below expectations – and how about you Mr. Carpenter?) to step up as well. If not, then we will be subject to more of the same from Mr. Shildt.
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