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Personaly LA I didn’t expect much this year. I am a little surprised they have done as well as they have In all sports it starts at being as good as you can be. I guess sime years it all comes together. Got to enjoy each game as its played. This ones a stinker for us but not all of them are!
I’m also surprised, Wooster. I thought they’d be well below sea level at this point in the season and that the end result was going to be considerably worse than ’23. There’s still enough games remaining for that to happen, but they’ve surprised me so far.
Yep 1TD it seems like they are trying to work in the young guys which is ok by me. Still trying to jeep it competitve and not painful. Don’t have much star power right now. Doesn’t matter if we can still win the division. Still may contend this year with this team. Copter Nacho will be back soon!
This team has definitely outperformed my expectations. Games like Friday and tonight paint a bleak picture but if you take a step back and look at it you will see that we are on pace to win 85 games, have over $40M coming off the payroll at the end of the year, and have a decent young core. From that perspective I would feel pretty good if I was Bloom. He has some things to work with.
Haha…Yeah, the whirlybird-rotocopter-chopper-throw from Nado was a classical baseball moment, Wooster!
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Yeah, he’s a young guy, Wooster, but he’s 23 years old which qualifies for manhood. What I’m driving at is that his team is getting pummeled during the half inning in which he’s supposed to stand out there and talk. All he had to do was explain that he didn’t have time to talk while he was at work. I’m guessing that if he’d have responded with something along those lines, he’s have gained the respect of anyone who was listening in.
I agree that it was cringeworthy to mic him up while the game was slipping away. On the other hand, the interview was prearranged and is part of the contract ESPN has with MLB.
Not defending it, as I hate it, but explaining the reality of it… As usual, money talks…
Yeah, the entire thing is inane, BW. I’m not placing the blame on the young player. I have to give him the benefit of assuming that he was out there in no man’s land wishing he’d never agreed to wear the silly thing. And if I’d have to take a guess, I’d say he’ll be reluctant to ever agree to do it again. The timing was lousy and, unfortunately he was saddled with a rotten inning in which to be wearing a microphone. In my view, the entire concept of a player being subjected to what is, in a very real sense, an interview while he’s manned up at his position while the action on the field is ongoing is somewhere between second-rate and genuine lunacy.
Players and managers should never have to give interviews during a game while on the field or in the dugout. It is very cringey and bizarre.
Uh, what young players?
Burleson – 4th year
Gorman – 4th year
Walker – 3rd year
Winn – 2nd year
Nootbaar – 5th year
Scott – 2nd yearOld veterans? Nope. But young and inexperienced? Nope.
Gorman and Burleson have both accumulated over 1200 PA’s and Winn isn’t far behind with a shade over 1100 trips to a Big League plate. Walker is next with a little less than 850 PA’s and Scott has yet to face a Big League pitcher 500 times. Burleson, at 26 years of age, is the eldest of those 5 players, with Jordan being the youngest at 23. Winn is only about 3 months older than Walker. So yeah, I’d say that they’re all still cutting their collective teeth facing Big League pitching, but it’s also high time they all begin to show improvement in the area of generating production at the premier level. As for the Nootz, he’ll probably always be around simply because he has a neat sounding name…Haha!
It’s difficult to see what the Cardinals are trying to accomplish. Is there a plan in all this? We don’t appear to be acquiring anything new. We aren’t getting rid of the unsuccessful old. We keep flailing with the same old mediocre manager. The General manager has no future here and no articulated roadmap for earning his final paychecks. Everyone seems to be hoping that the brilliant Bloom who remains carefully out of sight will one day burst upon the scene and transform this bunch into a thing of joy. Meanwhile we are left to sit back and seek satisfaction in the occasional flashes of good baseball while clutching our unrealistic dreams.
By young core I am referring to guys like Winn, Burleson, Herrera, Liberatore, and McGreevey. You can build around guys like that. Maybe even Victor Scott with a little more seasoning. And throw in an extension for Donovan who is more than a few years from retirement. We also need Matthews to step up at AAA.
Well said CIF. It appears the plan is “play the guys we paid big money to, until Bill can dump them”.
So, while recent results are pretty bad – overall this team is sitting 5 games over .500 a little more than halfway through the schedule.
At the beginning of the season I think most here agreed not to expect the playoffs this year and that this should be used as a ‘see what we have’ season for several of the younger players – especially Walker and Gorman.
It’s pretty obvious but not surprising that we’re seeing mixed results with the players under the spotlight. It’s also pretty obvious that the starting rotation just isn’t going to hold up to the strain of a full season.
We have a few pieces and we have a few holes – just like a lot of middle of the pack teams. Some franchises can fill their needs by just writing another check – the Cardinals have to build from within and then fill in with just a few key free agent signings / trades.
I guess we will find out during the next 2-3 seasons if Bloom is our man – or not.
Gray- No Trade Clause
Contreras- No Trade Clause
Mikolas- No Trade Clause
Arenado- No Trade ClauseThat is why the reset hasn’t been more radical. It isn’t that the Cardinals wanted these guys back. They just didn’t have a choice. Now they could have moved Fedde and Helsley and many on this board encouraged them to do so. They did let Goldy walk though.
Unless the NTC’s are waived the full reset is going to take a couple of more years. I don’t think those contracts are that onerous though. What I am keeping my eye on is the development of the younger guys. That is what will determine how bright our future is or isn’t.
Good assessment ZTR. I don’t think the apocalypse is upon us either. We have some pieces to play with. Hopefully Bloom can work a little Tampa magic on the player development side.
Embarrassing game to be at to say the least, Friday was just as bad and quite honestly they shouldn’t have won Saturday.
For nearly the entire team the body language was so negative last night. It seemed obvious that it would be a bad night right from the get-go. Is this team demoralized?
So, if I am to understand what some of you think, there is no point in being pro-active. The plan, if one can call it that, is do nothing, sit back and watch and let whatever happens happen.
CIF, I am not on the “do nothing train”. Move pieces for 2026 and beyond. Helsley, Maton, Fedde, etc and 1 or two catchers should be in a different uniform on 8/1/25.
Trade Maton for sure. They should have traded Fedde before the season started. Now he’s worth almost nothing. I think they should also trade Pozo since he may actually be worth something now. I guess trade Helsley too but I’m a little indifferent about that one. Keeping him doesn’t completely waive the white flag and with his salary , it’s not like we were ever getting a whole lot for him. I’d consider trading Romero too, but I’m concerned about our lefty bullpen depth so only do that one if we get strong value for him. And trade Arenado if he’s agreeable. Try to get a future starter, left handed pitching depth, and a future outfielder.
Chasing the postseason with Mikolas and Fedde in the rotation is working so well. Why would the FO be pro-active?
Pro-active? And accomplish what? We can move a few pieces but I wouldn’t expect a huge return. We could move Fedde, Helsley, and Maton and receive a few AA players who might be as good as Saggesse or Roby. I suppose that is better than nothing but I’m not going to order my 2026 world series tickets yet.
If you really want to move the needle then you would need to trade Donovan or Herrera or Winn. Anyone ready to do that? Otherwise, we can move Mikolas and Fedde to the pen, insert Matz and McGreevy into the rotation and move on.
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