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July 4, 2025 at 1:54 pm #286382
Cardinals going to get shutout back to back by 2 Iowa 2A level HS kids that my son got hits off. Low point in the history of Cardinal BB IMHO…
July 4, 2025 at 2:00 pm #286383Mikolas is gone after this year, correct?
And didn’t I tell you he would throw BP?
31 innings without scoring a run now.
Marmol? How you doing?
July 4, 2025 at 2:04 pm #286384And the record is tied. Might as well leave him in to get the record of 7 by himself.
July 4, 2025 at 2:04 pm #286385
jj-cf-stlParticipantWainwright flashbacks of when he stayed too long.
July 4, 2025 at 2:05 pm #286386It might be time to get the bullpen warmed up. Mikolas is on pace to give up about 20 homers at this pace.
July 4, 2025 at 2:07 pm #286387
jj-cf-stlParticipant7-0 chc after 3 innings.
Have a great 4th!July 4, 2025 at 2:08 pm #286388I’m in partial agreement, jim, in the sense that the tenure of the current Cardinal manager along with the Vern Rapp era are the two nadirs that I’ve experienced in my time as a Redbird fan. And I’d have to guess that when he’s all done, the current Cardinal manager will eclipse Vern Rapp in regards to attaining sole possession of the abyss.
July 4, 2025 at 2:13 pm #286389My goodness…That’s a savage sort of beating.
July 4, 2025 at 2:15 pm #286390You all should be thanking Apple… 😉
July 4, 2025 at 2:16 pm #286391Well, if there’s a sunny side to this awful carnage, it’s that Cubbie fans were denied getting to see their team tie and possibly surpass the HR record…Haha!
July 4, 2025 at 2:17 pm #286392Maybe it’s just me, but I love these Apple TV games. You know, I’m still pretty bullish with this year’s squad. I’m pretty darn confident that we’re going to push a run across home plate in this series.
July 4, 2025 at 2:36 pm #286394Mikolas has 68 pitches. Let him roll around in his own mess until he reaches ~100 pitches to keep from taxing the bullpen too much. Unless if they believe this pea shooter offense devoid of a .800 OPS hitter can mount a six run comeback.
July 4, 2025 at 3:20 pm #286395They finally scored a run!!!
Yippee Ki Yay!!!
July 4, 2025 at 3:23 pm #286396I have actually watched the entire game thus far. Cubs have now hit 8 homers in 7 innings. Watching this game is what you would call cruel and unusual punishment.
July 4, 2025 at 3:29 pm #286397
jj-cf-stlParticipantA much needed demo is just a half-season away. The boys at least made the first half interesting.
July 4, 2025 at 3:39 pm #286398The Cubs have some position player pitching the 9th. He just threw a 49 mph pitch. Good grief have some respect for the game. I don’t like this.
July 4, 2025 at 3:42 pm #286399Oli did the smart thing and left Mikolas in there and then pitched King. They are made for one another.
The thing I don’t understand is why they didn’t stretch Matz out as a starter again when we had all this 16 game stretch. He’s going to have to be given away if they are selling him as a reliever. Would have been nice to have another starter lefty in the series against Chicago.
July 4, 2025 at 3:46 pm #286400They have kept Matz in the pen because they haven’t committed to being sellers yet. Yet.
July 4, 2025 at 3:47 pm #286401As bad as the position player was at pitching he was still better than Mikolas. Game over. 11-3 Cubs.
July 4, 2025 at 3:50 pm #286402I’ve never liked when the team on the winning end of a blowout uses a position player to pitch. Anyway they are a team lacking high end offensive production and high end rotation performance. I’m not a big Oli fan but to his credit this team was better than the sum of its parts for the first half. But the water is now pouring through the cracks in the dam. I just hope any doubts this team should be sellers has been erased.
July 4, 2025 at 4:06 pm #286403Yes indeed! Thank you Apple for sparing me two and a half hours of gut-grinding misery.
July 4, 2025 at 4:27 pm #286404I will say again – they should have traded Mikolas when they could have. Now they are stuck with him and I guarantee you he’ll be in the starting rotation until the bitter end…
July 4, 2025 at 4:28 pm #286405This is what they needed to confirm the correct path forward. They’ve had a few guys play well at times this season. That much is true. They’ve also had some guys continue to show who they are which isn’t very good.
They should DFA Miles Mikolas. There should be zero debate after today. Nothing is gained with him anywhere on the roster. Fedde shouldn’t be far behind.
Arenado should prep his suitcase for a move. He should be gone shortly after the all-star break. Same for Helsley. See if Contreras and Gray will accept a move. Include whatever pieces are needed to facilitate the moves. Return is secondary to clearing the veterans and their ridiculous salaries off the roster.
Lastly, they should fire Mozaliak immediately. Same for Marmol. Let Stubby Clapp or Descalso run out the string. And for God’s sake play the kids so you know what you have going forward. Actually commit to the damn plan you said you wanted to do.
I can’t believe I was dumb enough to actually buy tickets to Sunday’s game.
July 4, 2025 at 4:51 pm #286408Texas Card: Don’t forget to add Gorman and Walker to your list of guys who “continue to show who they are which isn’t very good.”
You can only wait so long for big and tall to become good baseball players.July 4, 2025 at 5:10 pm #286409CIF I didn’t mention them by name but hinted when I said add whoever to make a deal happen. I agree completely with you. This should have happened last year at a minimum, but in true Cardinals fashion they slow rolled the teardown and rebuild.
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