St. Louis 2025 Game #22 thread – Sunday, April 20 at New York Mets

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  • #279977
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    One thing I don’t see and have not for 2-3 years is any anger at losing.

    For the most part they just seem to take it in stride and not be particularly upset about it.

    #279978
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    1-9 on the road

    Some real Roadhouse Blues…”the future’s uncertain and the end is always near”….the Doors

    #279980
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    Now it’s southbound for 3 down in ATL. The Braves seem to have found a gear and it’s probably not a good time to face them in their home ballpark. It could be a long season or, depending on your perspective, it could be over and out before June.

    #279981
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    Best I can tell, the last time the Cardinals were subjected to a 4 game sweep by the Mets occurred in April of 1986 at Busch Memorial Stadium. The Mets would eventually win 108 regular season games that year before saddling poor Bill Buckner with an oven mitt.

    #279982
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    The way it’s trending an 8-73 road record would be tough to overcome

    #279983
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    When will Olie stop trotting Fernandez out to throw gasoline on the fire instead of putting it out?

    #279984
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    Haha!…Yeah, that’d be a steep hill to climb, Greyghost.

    #279985
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    This club is in worse shape than I thought. Not time to go into a full scale panic just yet……but unfortunately we’re getting close. Get McGreevy up here pronto. We need to find that spark from within……and he’s presently not with the big club.

    #279986
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    I haven’t panicked since I heard him say, “This will help the team play better in September. I’ll tell you that!”…

    #279987
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    No matter what stick with – Gorman, Walker, Wynn, Saggesse now, Scott, Nootbar, Pages, Hererra, Donovan, Burleson – all the youngish ones – and find out who can play at this level and who can’t.

    Jettison Mikolas for McGreevy – absolutely

    See what you can get for Arenado and maybe even Gray at the deadline- if they will allow themselves to be traded to contenders….

    No matter how rough it gets we have to know who is and who isn’t a major leaguer.

    #279988
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    Here’s another all time great quote from the resident whiz-kid…”We can’t give up extra outs or a lead-off walk”…The guy’s a veritable genius!

    #279990
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    And what just may be the quote that constitutes him as the the greatest since Vern Rapp…”I want a clubhouse full of guys that have one thing on their minds, and it not themselves. It’s winning a champioship. So, you start by weeding those out”…He’s a genuine dandelion!

    #279991
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    Gorman only has 27 AB’s so far this year. They need to start using Gorman at DH instead of Burleson.

    Contreras should not bat higher than 5th until his bat gets going. He should probably be 8th or 9th right now.

    Walker is striking out at the same rate as Gorman this year.

    So far, Cardinals showing they would have zero chance against better teams in the playoffs, so this is a season that if the Cardinals do manage to stay within five games of a playoff spot, they should absolutely sell at the deadline.

    #279992
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    I don’t like the way Marmol manages/plays younger players and have thought that since 2023, really think it was a bad decision to bring him back

    #279993
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    I’d say Donovan and Nootbar have demonstrated that they both belong in a Big League uniform, ZTR. And while I entirely agree that they all need a good look, the other 8 names are all suspect concerning their ability to consistently perform at the Big League level. I’d also say that both Gorman and Burleson are wearing thin. I’m entirely sure of one thing…A young roster such as the one the Cardinals currently possess is a roster that requires a manager who belongs on the top step of a Big League dugout. And the current one ain’t it. I’m entirely convinced that a manager with a proven track record at this level could forge these youngsters into a team that could compete and, with a little patience, excel. Obviously the job of a good baseball manager is to manage baseball talent in a manner that places his players in the best possible position in which to succeed and produce W’s. The current Cardinal manager has thoroughly demonstrated that he doesn’t possess the ability to manage the players he’s been provided with in a manner that produces positive results. He’s got to go.

    #279994
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    Amen, Greyghost! I’ll take it a step further…I think he sometimes sets these young players up for failure.

    #279995
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    We’ve had plenty of time for good looks at many of these “prospects,” years in some cases like Gorman. The time has come to start looking elsewhere, making decisions and to start putting together an every day team. You can’t spend forever throwing crap against the wall and hoping something sticks. Resetting, or whatever you want to call it, is just another word for procrastination.

    Sure, keep running this crowd out there every day, mixing and matching, and it might one day catch fire and magically coalesce into the Cardinals of our dreams. Or not.

    #279997
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    A lot of people here bashing Gorman, but compare the major league careers of Gorman and Walker. Who would you take?

    And right now, your choice at DH is Gorman, Burleson and Baker.

    #279998
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    I’m entirely sure of one thing…A young roster such as the one the Cardinals currently possess is a roster that requires a manager who belongs on the top step of a Big League dugout. And the current one ain’t it.

    Agreed. Absolutely the wrong person for the job.

    #280003
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    I’ve now seen enough of Gorman to have some genuine doubts. But can anyone recall when he was realizing some genuine success in the early phase of the ’23 season? I think he was leading or near the top of the league in SLG. At that point the Redbird manager immediately inserted the young player into the 3 slot of a lineup that included veteran players named Goldschmidt and Arenado. In my time as a Cardinal fan, I’ve not seen too many things as stupid as that.

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    My opinion about Gorman is that the usage didn’t help, but its mostly just the opposition had a good look and figured out how to pitch him and defense him and he was done. He is still done and always will be done. Like many hitters who have come up, he can launch mistakes. That is all though. No discipline, no bat control. No situational awareness.

    #280007
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    Yeah, gathering a file on a new guy that’s having some success always factors in and it’s more than likely the case that he simply didn’t make the adjustments needed to counter the way teams decided they were going to work to him. Once the opposition established an effective way to get him out it was KKKKKK…Haha!

    #280016
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    LA Card fan, my answer to who I would take between Gorman and Walker is neither! Neither is ever going to be a quality mlb hitter! Walker is the worst I have ever seen against the slider! Can’t hit it and can’t stop swinging at it! Start a slider on the outside and he will swing and miss 100% of the time! Batting those two 6 and 7 just makes me laugh! Tbey K back to back more than any two players I have ever seen!

    #280023
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    I agree with Steve60. I wouldn’t take either one of them.

    #280044
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    If you look at their career slash lines:

    Gorman: 1211 PAs: .222/.301/.435/.736
    Walker: 724 PAs: .252/.314/.411/725

    But look at OPS by year:
    Gorman
    2022 – .720
    2023 – .806
    2024 – .671
    2025 – .720

    Walker
    2023 – .787
    2024 – .619
    2025 – .604

    Sorry. If I am trying to win right now and save the season, I am playing Gorman instead of Walker, Burleson and Baker.

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