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There’s no question that any WC team is extremely dangerous in the post-season, gscottar. To begin with, they almost always have already been playing multiple games under immense pressure and fighting tooth and nail simply in order to qualify. They’re entirely battle tested. They’re almost never subjected to an extended period of down time in which to gather rust and dust. Rest, in my view, is highly overrated and, in baseball, can sometimes be a curse. And lastly, in baseball, the Rockies can post a W over the ’27 Yankees on any given day. It’s for those aforementioned reasons that I don’t, and never will, like the concept of all those WC teams. It’s simply not fair to the teams that have consistently played well enough to have accumulated enough W’s over the course of a long Big League season to be crowned division champs.
I agree, jj. However, Jeff Weaver worked the ’06 WS clincher and Jeff Suppan was the ’06 NLCS MVP. And if that weren’t enough, Jake Westbrook was the winning pitcher of decision in the monumental game 6 of the ’11 WS…Haha! He really was…
That 2006 teams was definitely pitching challenged! Chris Carpenter was great but other than him Suppan and Weaver were the best we had! I have always believed we would have never won that year unless Izzie had gotten hurt! Wainwright was great during that playoff run as closer! Maybe you can win with an average pitching staff If you have a genius TLR managaing and we are about as far from a genius managing as you can get at the moment!
Baseball is a marathon. I watch em every night. I don’t want a barely better than 500 team squeak in to the wildcard. I want to watch good defense good pitching and timely hitting. (Oldschool nl ball). I want them to grind out wins all yeaŕ. When playoff time gets here, you have a chance. I don’t want to watch a streaky team barely make it in with nothing but a prayer to advance.
You never know with baseball. In 2006 we squeaked in at the last minute and won it all. In 2011 we were 10 games out with a month to go, squeaked in at the last minute and won it all.
In 2004 we had perhaps one of the most dominant Cardinal teams ever but somehow got swept in the world series. In 2015 we won 100 games but got bounced in the first round of the playoffs by the hated Cubs. You never know.
1. Donovan 2B
2. Herrera DH
3. Burleson LF
4. Contreras 1B
5. Arenado 3B
6. Winn SS
7. Walker RF
8. Pages C
9. Scott CFGray P
Yeah, Steve60, I’m entirely with you regarding the notion that if Isringhausen doesn’t go down with injury and get replaced by Wainwright, the Cardinals don’t win anything in ’06. Looking at Wainwright’s net pitching line in the ’06 postseason, it says 0 ER’s allowed in 9.2 IP’ed. He was the key, and the final out of game 7 at old Shea Stadium during that epic ’06 NLCS was probably more spectacular than any final out I’ve ever witnessed during a Cardinal WS winner. In fact, I’ll always consider that Cardinals/Mets ’06 NLCS to be way more exciting than that season’s ensuing WS. It was really something.
The meteorological conditions look quite favorable for tonight’s titanic struggle. No green stuff in the St. Louis area. However, there is a small cell around the north part of Kansas City and some patchy rain showers in and around the Atlanta area a little later today.
This one will be played with no delays.
And din-din today was a Hungry Man’s Turkey TV dinner, a strawberry parfait and a chocolate shake. My late snack later tonight as I watch The Streets of San Francisco will be a bologna sandwith with some mayo, lettuce and a little mustard/ketchup. I anticipate Whitey Herdog will be after a bite or two as well.
r/Esteemed Rat
p.s. Pugs? I actually had two loads of gravel delivered today and spread on my driveway. The two loads cost me $931.
I’m guessing that the Cardinals won’t return home to a heroes welcome tonight so it’ll be interesting to see how many genuine turnstile clicks show up to see this game.
Those rosters mentioned had a lineup w/MVP3’s, we have Donny. This is not the roster to sqweek by with pitching. I prefer to pitch and defend well going forward, at least until the next Pujols steps forward.
The 2022 roster had a poor boys mvp3. Goldy won it, and Pujols / Arenado were right on his heels. Won the division.
Nola and Wheeler sent us packing in the postseason.Decent lineup. They are capable of putting some runs on the board. Gray is capable of keeping runs off the board.
The two loads cost me $931.
See……crime really does pay, as you were getting bucket after bucket of the stuff for $0, when you and Whitey HerDog were swipping it from the business down the lane from you, Rat.
“Whirling” Darvish finds himself in an ideal spot. What better way for a pitcher to right a floundering ship than to face the 2025 St. Louis Cardinals? With this being said, considering the circumstances, our Cardinals should win this ballgame tonight. Let’s call it 6-4 Birds with Victor Scott finding the cheap seats with bat in hand.
Yeah, during the age of prime Pujols, you could conceivably win with a staff of Brett Cecil’s…And I’ll always maintain that our whiz-kid manager sent us packing in ’22.
The 2025 Cardinals have a playoff-caliber defense
What alignment are you talking about? How often have we it? Can it be rolled out against both RHSP and LHSP without crippling what offense we have? Having some guys who can play good defense does not necessarily add up to having a good defense day in and day out.
It’s always been my view that pitching and defense go hand in hand in the sense that one hand feeds the other. If the calibre of your defense is lousy, the natural progression is that the pitching suffers and vice versa. That seems to invariably be the case and I don’t feel that either one can consistently mitigate or offset the shortcomings of the other.
I wouldn’t want to be Walker or Tatis out there in RF for the next hour or so. Have you ever been blindfolded while driving on the freeway?
blingboy asked:
What alignment are you talking about? How often have we it? Can it be rolled out against both RHSP and LHSP without crippling what offense we have? Having some guys who can play good defense does not necessarily add up to having a good defense day in and day out.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-best-team-defenses-of-2025-so-far/
According to Fangraphs’ season-to-date measurements published a few weeks ago, the Cardinals have the seventh-ranked defense in MLB. That would be top quarter.
What objective measurement do you use to compare 30 defenses?
I have no idea what formula fan graphs uses to judge the quality of any particular mitt. I always placed my entire trust in an American made Rawlings that was manufactured right here in StL…I’d feel it, rub it, slide my left hand into it several times and even sniff it over and over and over again…Haha! All jokes aside, from the simple eye test gained from watching almost daily I’d say they catch and throw it pretty good. Also, I’d be interested to know how many think that Arenado has a decent chance to recapture the GG award at 3B?
gscottar said:
And I wasn’t specifically looking at the 2025 Cardinals. I am talking about any season. How often are the Cardinals going to be viewed as the best team in the NL on April 1 or July 1? Not often I would assume. Does that mean we should pack it in and not try to get into the playoffs since we don’t have a good shot at winning the world series? That seems defeatist to me.
I wasn’t suggesting the Cardinals have to be considered the World Series favorite. But when they can’t even win their own division, generally one of the weakest in baseball, it does not say much to me about their October chances.
I am weary of the organization’s mantra of “just get to October and hope to get hot”. They should be building a team capable of winning the division every year. It used to be that way. However, in 8 of the last 10 years (including 2025), they did not win the division.
Assuming they fall short this year, they will have missed the playoffs in six of the last 10 years. During that time, they went 4-7 in playoff games and won just one playoff series.
(We should also remember that the 2025 has been pretty injury free, so it isn’t like getting everyone healthy is going to save this team, as it did at times in the past.)
Until they break this long downward spiral, I will remain skeptical.
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