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    Brian Walton
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    Goold checked yesterday and reports the Cards have NOT contacted Boras about Snell or Monty. Of course, that could change based on Gray’s MRI, but I am not expecting it. If you do, prepare to be disappointed again…

    Mo is meeting with the media in Jupiter this morning with the update on Gray.

    #243379
    Jnevel
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    Mild strain. So best case scenario. Opening day is a question mark, but otherwise this shouldn’t have a big impact.

    #243381
    Brian Walton
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    Post-Gray MRI update. Don’t expect any moves.

    #243382
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    So it’s a net positive. Playing the long game, Gray will now have more juice left in the tank for the relatively more important October and November games. Unintended benefit. Mo’s got this.

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    Euro you should write material for Ollie. That sounds better than ‘it will help in September ‘.

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    Sounds encouraging for now. But I can see us in late March with a comment like, “…the hamstring is not coming along as we expected and it might be another 3-4 weeks before Sonny can begin a rehab process.”

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    So now it’s coming out Gray has a history of hamstring issues. Great.

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    bling, these things write themselves now. 1td’s September comment made me chuckle because I’d forgotten about that one, which then led me to humming that Earth, Wind & Fire song. Ba-dee-ya!

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    So now it’s coming out Gray has a history of hamstring issues. Great.

    It’s really a gray area, KeepComingBack. His injury track record is well known, but other variables exist.

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    Let’s say the over/under on Sonny Gray making his first start for St. Louis is May 15th.

    You got the over or under?

    Actually, the before or after I guess.

    r/Esteemed Rat

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    If it is truly a mild strain, I would go under (before) on that Rat’s. Hammy’s are tricky and can take awhile to heal and rehab from a strain, so I would not go too far under. But I would say he will be available in late April or early May.

    But watch out for a setback – I just get the sense this problem will linger longer than originally thought.

    #243435
    14NyquisT
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    I believe it will be after 5/15. The Cards are not going to play around with their big # signer-on and the FO office plays funny games time in and time out when talking about injuries. The rotation is back where we were before Gray….. not good enough to have much hope for ’24. FO will use this as an excuse if things go south. I’m starting to forget about when the team was actually dangerous.

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    More than likely it is before 5/15 but it will be a case where Gray is still ramping up with pitch count limits around 50 or 60 or 70 pitches in his first couple outings.

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    I will guess after because he’s 34.

    We have yet to see Lynn and Matz. Everybody has to make it 3 more weeks. I am guessing we will see Rom making starts in April. Edman may not be ready for opening day and Carlson tends to get injured just sitting there.

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    I’m not going to be hypocritical. I made fun of Bubbles (Schildt) on a pretty regular basis. But not one thing has gone right since the day he was fired for philosophical differences. Karma I suppose.

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    Brian already explained that we statistically could expect to experience an injury to the rotation. His historical perspective delivered a mild injury to the starter with the greatest margin for error and a personal history of overcoming that particular injury.
    One could declare this enevitible outcome as the lesser of many potential evils. Happiness hinges on perspective, and I think having Sonny Gray chomping at the bit during those first couple inclement games where injuries and strains are always an issue is a fine hand to be dealt.

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    Nigel T
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    Expecting young starters to develop without learning from mistakes, and more importantly, changing and growing after reflecting on continuous errors inhibiting their success is not a practical use of time. You either have to experience failure and set backs with young starters or trade them at their minor league peak.
    If the model includes developing cost-controlled starters, you have to give your top kids opportunities, and we have to understand dealing with failure is part of the process for all of us who are concerned.

    #243441
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    If we want to develope cost controlled starting pitchers instead of overpaying for free agents on long term risky contracts, well I think that’s a great idea. In fact I’ve suggested it all along. But it requires moving your highly paid superstars for high end prospects. Than spend the saved dollars on upgrading your whole scouting and development system. Upgrade your coaching at every level. But we don’t want to do that. We want those turnstiles to whirl without pause. So we take half measures to make it look like we are trying to compete. Like signing the oldest top end fa pitcher available, than continue to spend on even older guys. Than sign Carp as the cherry on the top. I’m done with rant. Happy we haven’t traded the young core guys. Hope Gray heals fast.

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    Brian Walton
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    gscottar
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    #243934
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    I just read somewhere that his injury was not near as bad as expected.

    Does he still have a chance to start Opening Day?

    #243936
    gscottar
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    Maybe. He is supposed to throw again tomorrow then they will have a better idea of his status.

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    I just read where he will officially miss opening day.

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    That is correct but he still might pitch in the Dodger series or soon thereafter. It looks like he is going to beat the May 15 over/under or was that a different injured player?

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