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  • #217537
    14NyquisT
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    These days at the beginning of the season just can’t last indefinitely. I have hope that Flaherty will return to his best days…. and increase his mound presence and demeanor. That Wainwright will once again bail us out and better the expectations that a lot of fans have at present. Montgomery has been okay and will suffice for now. Mikolas… eh, next. I’m losing faith in Woodford and Hudson and then there’s Matz… probably a bad signing. Liberatore could be a savior…. a 3 or 4 guy for now.

    There’s Graceffo and McGreevy if they want to push them (not recommended) but Mo has painted himself into a corner and everyone knows it, so he’ll need to deal from desperation. Rough days for us Cardinal fans.

    #217538
    14NyquisT
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    alpha dogs

    . Yes, that’s what we should be looking for.

    #217555
    jj-cf-stl
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    Starters GmSc avg:

    55.0 Flaherty, 5 GS (20% QS%)
    50.0 mlb avg (33% QS%)
    48.8 Montgomery, 4 GS (50% QS%)
    43.0 Matz, 4 GS (0% QS%)
    40.5 Woodford, 4 GS (0% QS%)
    36.8 Mikolas, 5 GS (0% QS%)

    #217560
    Brian Walton
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    gscott, I dunno. The VEB writer in the link you provided suggests options like Andrew Suarez and Cooper Hjerpe should be considered for the MLB rotation. No justification or analysis provided, which would have eliminated both of them quicker than I can type this. His throwing out McGreevy at this point isn’t much more realistic. Maybe Pallante can be ok if stretched out, but he just pitched his way out of a big-league job last week.

    Just a frustrated fan venting, it seems, with no better answers than anyone else.

    #217570
    blingboy
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    Hjerpe, that’s funny. He has his hands full in A ball right now. That writer should join our discussion next winter. He could come up with the mother of all starter candidate laundry lists.

    #217581
    gscottar
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    I wasn’t suggesting it as a blueprint but it illustrates how desperate some followers of the team are getting. One point of his that is true is that there isn’t going to be any outside help walking through the door anytime soon unless they go for a hail mary with Madbum. Most likely it is all going to be internal for the next three months.

    #217639
    14NyquisT
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    Available; Should Cardinals Consider Making Splash?
    Originally posted on FanNation Inside The Cardinals
    By Patrick McAvoy | Last updated 4/24/23

    “I think the Tigers will deal Eduardo Rodríguez at the trade deadline because of his opt-out clause, but he’s not low-cost,” Bowden said. “The (Seattle Mariners) has been open to trading Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen. The (Washington Nationals) would move Trevor Williams. The (Colorado Rockies) might move Austin Gomber. The Red Sox would listen to offers on Tanner Houck.”

    Two ex-Cards here…. Mo would never even consider one that got away.

    #217640
    Brian Walton
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    Ny said:

    Mo would never even consider one that got away.

    I hope not, at least in one case. Gomber hasn’t been good at home or on the road. He has a 9.28 ERA currently.

    Marco could be ok, but do they want another lefty?

    Why do you say either one “got away”? Gomber helped deliver Arenado, a deal most would make again 100 times out of 100. Marco fetched O’Neill. Marco’s career bWAR is 9.1. O’Neill’s is 9.6. Pretty even.

    #217659
    blingboy
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    Speaking of ones “that got away”, tonight we are facing a pitcher that got thrown away, John Brebbia. He did decent out of the pen and as soon as he would have made some money we offed him. Last season all he did was lead the league in appearances, for somebody else. Gave the Giants good service in relief and spot starts.

    #218238
    blingboy
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    Friday night in LA it took Flaherty 110 pitches to get 14 outs. Its mathematically possible obviously, but you have to be really bad at pitching.

    #218245
    ZTR
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    Yikes.

    I think the division is probably out of reach with both the Pirates and the Brewers way out in front. Only 13 instead of 19 games against divisional opponents cuts down on direct control of being able to catch a team.

    We might catch one of them but probably not both.

    Saw a stat where 14 cardinal teams had stated this poorly and 13 did not make the playoffs with the 1960 team being the exception.

    Clearly the Wild Card slots will change the chances but we are 5 games out of the last WC spot and more glaring behind all but one team.

    It’s not the number of games behind that is the biggest hurdle – it’s the sheer number of teams that we have to climb over that makes it so tough.

    #218253
    Brian Walton
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    I get the concern about the Brewers, but does anyone really think the Pirates will finish the season in the top tier of the division?

    #218263
    ZTR
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    They seem to be better than both the Cubs and the Reds so third place for the Pirates is definitely in play.

    The Brewers are solid and probably win the division.

    So, do the Cardinals catch the Pirates for second place? Well, there is currently an 8.5 game deficit / hill to climb and it is the Cardinals looking way up at the Buckos. Has to be considered at this point.

    #218265
    gscottar
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    I am not that concerned about the Pirates. They will cool off eventually and probably end up being a .500 team, which would be a good season for them.

    Catching the Brewers and Cubs will be more difficult but at this point I am not worried about the playoffs. As Jack Buck used to say there is no need worrying about anything until you can get back to the .500 mark.

    #218267
    Brian Walton
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    A data point on the Bucs. A favorable early schedule (if this is accurate):

    #218271
    blingboy
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    Have we heard if Wainwright is going to do another rehab start?

    #218273
    gscottar
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    He is doing another rehab start tomorrow (Sunday).

    #218274
    Brian Walton
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    … with Memphis …

    #218285
    Oliver
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    Free

    The Pirates won the first game of their DH.

    #218289
    gscottar
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    What is their magic number?

    #218325
    ZTR
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    Pirates won the 2nd game 16-1.

    #218371
    gscottar
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    The Pirates aren’t winning the division.

    #218375
    ZTR
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    No, it’ll be the Brewers but the Pirates are no longer dog meat.

    #218644
    Brian Walton
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    #218650
    blingboy
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    So that would be Matz’s next scheduled start?

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