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  • #190030
    Brian Walton
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    This is the latest info from Man Games Lost. The Cardinals are at the far left, tucked under TOR. They are among the teams with the very fewest player games missed due to injury in 2022.

    #191705
    Brian Walton
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    Up to the break, the Cards are still among the lowest six or so teams in terms of injury impact in 2022.

    #191710
    blingboy
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    That injury metric does not consider value to the team of those lost injury innings I don’t think. Injuries wiped out our whole rotation except for the 40 year old guy who is 6-7.

    Maybe our biomechanics wonks think lefties with a lower arm slot who haven’t been throwing radar gun candy since high school will be more resistant to injury.

    #191711
    Brian Walton
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    Yes the player value is included. The WAR lost by the players being unavailable is the bubble size.

    #191720
    blingboy
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    Subtract from that the WAR of the replacement and it would reflect the impact on the team.

    #191730
    jj-cf-stl
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    Spoken like a member of the analytic team BB!
    😀

    #191736
    blingboy
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    Yup, I’m all in.

    #191818
    bccran
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    Maybe expectations have something to do with it. If your arm or shoulder was a little tired or a little sore in the past, you’d put some analgesic balm on it and press on. You were expecting to pitch and you did. Many times the arm recovered on it’s own over a short period of time. Now, all sorts of red flags go up. I pitched all the way through high school, college, and semi-pro ball. Sure my arm ached at times, but it always came back to normal. Never missed a start.

    #191826
    blingboy
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    It will be interesting to see how the two new lefties with a lower arm slot fare as far as injuries

    #191828
    mudville
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    Interesting posts, BB, and cranny, and Brian. Glad you guys are here.

    #191928
    ZTR
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    BC – when you were growing up did you play other sports too? I think making kids specialize by the time they are 10 and keeping travel teams / clubs / training going almost year round grinds on young minds and bodies.

    I think playing multiple sports year round is fine. It’s like cross training but that’s not how it works for most promising young athletes these days. They are almost forced to pick a main sport very early and then play that sport all year in order to ‘keep up’.

    #193717
    Brian Walton
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    Update:

    #193792
    Cardinals27
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    Any info on Matzx? Maybe he had surgery? With the addition of Montgomery and Quintana that gives us 6 starters not counting Matz and Flaherty. Sounds like those 2 aren’t likely coming back, or in a relief role at best.

    #204545
    Brian Walton
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    Final 2022 numbers…

    #204546
    Brian Walton
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    #204616
    Nathan Leopold Jr.
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    Wow, I would have thought the Cardinals were one of the most afflicted teams in baseball. Shows you what the eye test is worth.

    #204621
    Brian Walton
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    In all fairness, Nate, every team’s fans are very familiar with that team’s injuries, but pay less attention to other teams. We are all guilty of it.

    That is why I shared this information. No one can complain that injuries derailed the 2022 Cardinals. If anything, they were quite fortunate – and probably won’t be as fortunate in 2023.

    #204623
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    The only questions in my mind are this – WHO IS GOING TO SHOW UP INJURED AT THE START OF SPRING TRAINING? AND WHO WILL BE HURT SHORTLY AFTER SPRING TRAINING STARTS?

    #204626
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    fans are very familiar with that team’s injuries, but pay less attention to other teams. We are all guilty of it.

    You see this a lot. Even more in football I think.

    Just a thought, but a “games missed” type stat could be even more telling. It could be a stat weighted by player value (expected WAR or something similar?) to truly show how damaging the missed games were, e.g., say next year luck runs very low and Goldy, Arenado and DeLuzio all miss 50 games. Which one of these things is not like the others?

    #204627
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    Duh, I made my post above after reading Brian’s reply #204546. After that post I began to read more posts above. Lol, disregard my post now, I thought I was on to something!

    #204647
    gscottar
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    The only questions in my mind are this – WHO IS GOING TO SHOW UP INJURED AT THE START OF SPRING TRAINING? AND WHO WILL BE HURT SHORTLY AFTER SPRING TRAINING STARTS?

    Hopefully no one but history suggests it will be Alex Reyes, Steven Matz, and Tyler O’Neill.

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