- This topic has 69 replies, 20 voices, and was last updated 2 years, 11 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
A lot to sort out –
Edman
Donovan
Gorman
Winn
Saggese
Prieto
DunnMaybe several go in a trade or two?
I really believe Winn is the SS of the future. Granted Edman can play the OF but there is already a glut there too. It appears they are going to give Gorman every chance at 2B because they think he can hit 30-40 HRs a year. And Donovan is the backup/PH/late inning defensive replacement.
Unfortunately, this leaves Edman as the odd man out. I suspect he might be sent elsewhere this winter with another outfielder for a starting pitcher.
Everyone wants to talk about who we can do without. It is going to come down to who is it going to take to acquire the pitching we need. They are going to want the same guys we want to keep, and for the same reasons.
According to many here “Eddie” is the best thing since sliced bread. So you need to give up something that good to get something good back. Trade “Eddie”.
I think parting ways with Edman would be a BIG mistake. He’s got a certain indefinable spirit beyond offensive and defensive skills not evident in some of our players
I don’t want to trade any of those guys except maybe Dunn who is completely blocked in lots of ways. But, you have to give up something to get something. So I’d give up Edman, Dunn, O’Neill, and one of our minor league starters (including Hence if we get a good enough return) for starting pitching.
Losing Edman forces Winn to be the starting SS next year, which I don’t love because he’s likely to struggle with the hitting adjustment for awhile but that’s just one bad hitter in an otherwise very good lineup. And it’s not like the guy he’s replacing in Edman was a great hitter so the drop-off shouldn’t be too bad.
Then, we call up Saggesse and we have a righty/lefty combo with he and Donovan who can play all over and we can get platoon advantages with. Prieto should stay at AAA as insurance. I could see us also signing a vet SS to a 1-year deal instead of calling up Saggesse. That’s probably the smarter move.
Edman’s OPS+ is 92. If Winn couldn’t at least match that he needs to stay in AAA until he can.
Which relates to my earlier point. A UT OPSing 8 pts below league avg isn’t what anybody is going to be looking for in exchange for a good controllable starter. Not alone and not headlining a basket.
BB – Edman has been a league average hitter for his career with exceptional defense and he has a couple years of control left. Not to mention that he’s fast and can play almost any position well. That’s typically a 3+ WAR player. That’s very valuable at his salary. There aren’t a lot of SS/2B that hit much above league average. This is a little bit of a down year for both his defense in particular and just a little bit of his offense, but he’ll still be a 2 WAR player which is an average MLB player. So we’d probably be selling a little low on him. But he is still valuable.
I’m not throwing shade on him other than to say he is not an impact player. Highly useful, as we saw and are seeing all year. But if we don’t offer an impact player, somebody else will, and we will settle for low hanging fruit.
I agree with Rat in that Winn, Gorman, and Donovan are the definite keepers therefore Edman is the odd man out unless they plan on using him in the OF, which has been pointed out, we have a glut there too.
Every team needs an extra IF’er and OF’er and Edman is top-tier at both. He’s sure as heck a better reinforcement at SS than DeJong. If they keep him and the Redbirds are competitive next season he’ll contribute to that success all over the field.
I’m not willing to count on Saggese or Prieto for anything …..yet. Hold onto Edman for at least another year. He’s reliable and productive at many positions, and I agree that he has a special value that he contributes to the team.
I was expecting and hoping he’d go to a better team before the deadline. The fact that he didn’t leads me to guess that they decided to keep him in StL. That’s too bad for him.
BB is just saying that Edman is not as valuable as Gorman, Donovan, or Winn, which is true. He could be an impact player though on the right team. For instance, if their current shortstop is less than a 1 WAR player, then Edman is a huge upgrade. It often just depends on the situation. But I do agree that the above 3 are more valuable in a trade. So I think the key for Mo is finding the right trading partner where both sides can win by trading off surplus.
While the Infield is the subject of this chat, really we have 1 too many outfielders and 1 too many catchers as well. All 3 aren’t really problems per se, but it would be nice to consolidate our surplus into something that we are deficient on which is starting pitching. We have to get at least 2 good starting pitchers to have a chance at winning next year.
Regarding catchers, I don’t know what Herrera’s defense is really like, or if he can hit major league pitching. I’m looking forward to seeing him perform next spring. The problem I have with Contreras is personal. I have this picture of him trying to throw out a runner stealing second base, and Contreras’ throw sailing at least six feet behind the runner and, obviously, nowhere near the second baseman. And I just can’t get that picture out of my mind when I see or hear his name.
Just saw some current team offensive stats on a betting site.Edman is right up there with most everybody else on BA. He also leads the team by far in stolen bases. Donovans out till next year. We’re fine on offense. Problem is any kind of pitching!
I think that there is one thing we can count on 100%. If Winn does not get a good long look in MLB this year, then Mo will not be trading Edman this winter.
I think what other teams see when they take a look at Tommy Edman is that before this season he averaged 92 runs scored for 3 full seasons. When they see how often he crosses HP, it’s my guess that they instantly remember that runs are still somewhat important in the game of baseball…
The nugget from rats reply:
” I suspect he (Edman) might be sent elsewhere this winter with another outfielder for a starting pitcher.”
Re: Winn
Sounds like they are trying to preserve his rookie status for 2024. The extra pick thing about ROY voting.
For a position player Cots shows more than 130 AB’s, or more than 45 days active roster, disqualifies rookie status.
With they chose AB’s vs PA’s, who knows.
By my count, back from our last game, 45 active days would be Aug 18th, a week from today. If they don’t want to cut it close, say Sunday Aug 20th, ballparking it.
They have it figured out down to the fraction of a nanosecond. I’d say when he’s eligible to be promoted without the slightest possibility of threatening his rookie status for ’24, he’ll be on the Big League roster.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.