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What if he plays for 3 teams next season? Is each team on the hook for a “full minimum salary”? Where did pro-rated go?
Here’s an article from Jeff Jones that addresses the clubhouse leadership issue, and Carp arriving to address it. The article kind of meanders like he doesn’t want to stake out a position. Early on he posits that Carp was requested by Goldy and Arenado, and if the team craters again, they can be blamed. !?. Yeah, read it and see for yourself.
https://www.bnd.com/sports/mlb/st-louis-cardinals/article284691626.html
JJ – the way I understand it, since the Cardinals signed him to a 1 year contract, as long as he makes the team, they owe him for the full season. Had they signed him to a minor league deal with an invite to ST, then he would have just been paid on a pro-rated basis for each game he played.
I’m not sure exactly what happens if the Cards cut him and someone else signs him. He already has 2 other teams (Padres and Braves) that are paying him part of his original salary plus now the Cards covering a full one year at the minimum amount – which is getting applied as a slight discount on the amount those 2 other teams owe him. So if someone else picks him up, maybe that reduces equally the burden of all 3? That would be my guess. But if that’s the case, I’m not sure if it would be divided equally in 3 parts or divided as a % of what each team owes. If it’s a %, that means the Cards wouldn’t get much credit at all.
I’d give the odds at 50% that Carpenter strikes out in his first atbat during the 2024 season at Busch Stadium III.
What do you posters think?
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J, when a player is traded at the deadline, another club picks up his salary. So how do they determine how much each club owes?
I ask this knowing the answer (from previous seasons anyway), but I’m trying to make a point about pro-rated, and find out if that has changed. If you want to continue the topic, we can.
JJ – If we traded him, then yes, the new club would indeed pick up our portion of his salary. But the assumption is that he’d more likely be released. And a released player is still owed the full amount from the team who released him. But then if someone else picks him up, they owe him a pro-rated portion of the minimum. The question really is whose liability gets reduced by that? All 3 of the Braves, Padres, and Cardinals? And if so, how is it divided? I don’t know for sure. I do know that if no one else picks him up, the Cardinals will owe him his full minimum league salary for the season regardless of when he gets cut (unless the cut happens in ST).
Ultimately though, it’s less than $1 million total so I don’t think it’s going to have much impact. For
I don’t know rat. I don’t expect him to be as horrible at the plate as everyone thinks. I don’t think he would any more of a travesty at 1B now and then than Walker is in RF.
My understanding is original contract gets relief of up to the minimum amount once, for the season. That minimum portion can be divided by multiple teams.
If Stl is on the hook for the minimum salary as you said, our only relief would be if we cut him, and get a % relief of our own total, from the next possible club. If you are good up to here, I am converted 🙂
I don’t see what the front office is trying to accomplish. If this is a rebuilding year, they are taking at-bats away from a potential rookie. If they have dreams of wild card contention, I think they would have set the bar higher than this.
Contrast this with the Pujols’ signing. No matter how bad Albert might have stunk up the joint (fortunately he didn’t) they were gonna sell enough merchandise to recoup their investment 10 fold.
Matt Carp had a good 2022, over a small sample size, but he wasn’t able to carry it over to 2023.
Matt Carp had a good 2022, over a small right field porch, but he wasn’t able to carry it over to 2023.
Haha Mr Brock, please forgive me, but I couldn’t resist taking a small liberty with your quote.
Haha Mr Brock, please forgive me, but I couldn’t resist taking a small liberty with your quote.
Left field — 336 feet (102 m) Left center field — 375 feet (114 m) Center field — 400 feet (122 m) Right center field — 375 feet (114 m) Right field — 335 feet (102 m)Busch
Baseball: Left field – 318 ft (97 m) Left center – 399 ft (122 m) Center field – 408 ft (124 m) Right center – 385 ft (117 m) Right field – 314 ft (96 m)Yankee
EuroDad-Yes, for a left-handed pull hitter, that 21′ difference down the right field line might make a tad of difference, lol. Maybe Marmol can just use him if the wind is blowin’ out to right field, lol.
Check how Marp did for NYY in the 2022 playoffs – 1-for-12 with 9Ks. Despite his earlier regular season burst, the Yankees did not ask him back. The Padres clearly regretted the two-year contract and bought their way out. The Braves didn’t have a place for him and didn’t even try to make one.
Perhaps the “annual Carp worked with xxx over the winter and has figured out his problems” when he was here before made me cynical, but I am keeping expectations in check.
I see Carpenter as the Wilford Brimley of this team. The old guy full of wit and wisdom who is a really good listener.
Personally I don’t see why the clubhouse needed him and I know the 26 man roster doesn’t.
However, his presence is water under the bridge at this point and Mo didn’t check in with me before he did it.
As Brian has pointed out – the 26th roster spot provides very little on the field anyway.
With that, here is a question. What is the best use of the 26th roster spot for a team?
Third catcher? Extra bullpen arm? Utility man who can play all over the place but can’t hit a lick? Clubhouse grandpa? Surely not a young player with potential who would sit there and rot while getting an ab or two a week….
Check how Marp did for NYY in the 2022 playoffs – 1-for-12 with 9Ks
We already have two guys who can do that.
As Brian has pointed out – the 26th roster spot provides very little on the field anyway.
With that, here is a question. What is the best use of the 26th roster spot for a team?
ZTR, I am not assuming he will be used as the 26th man. That is not the Cardinal Way when it comes to reunion tours.
The best use for the last roster spot is to use that player to replace your injured GG 3B’man in game 4 of the ’87 WS…
And on top of all of this, we will have to watch that stupid “Sauce” gesture that he makes when somebody does something good. The sauce has got to go. Or better yet, the sauce shouldn’t even be seen in the first place.
Not a big fan if the Carp signing. We have heard Mo provide the “why”. Given this, I am not expecting much from an aging veteran that the club is playing league minimum. Maybe he can help some of the younger plays, maybe he can’t.
I just not sure that Carp will have the presence of mind to step away if it is clear he can no longer compete at this level (which I fear may be the case).
Time to bump up this subject. Like him or not, Jeff Jones is not afraid to ask tough questions.
Bottom line: Some good players do not feel comfortable leading other than by example.
Nolan Arenado spoke to the media this afternoon and I asked him about Mozeliak's comments, when Matt Carpenter was signed, about Arenado and Goldschmidt requesting more clubhouse leadership. Here's what he said: pic.twitter.com/OtZXlSip8X
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) February 16, 2024
Lame comments by Arenado. He and Goldy just let the young guys “overrun” the clubhouse? Where was Mr. Marmol in all these? Carp to the rescue?
First off, leadership is not always verbal. Introverts can be leaders in other ways such as how they go about their business, get their work in, hustle on the field, don’t say dumb things to reporters, etc…
Secondly, if that is the best response Arenado can come up with he should have just said no comment.
Bling’s comment was flippant, but it raises a good question. Seems like it would be tougher to get on others if you aren’t performing well yourself. But then again, it has been a long time since Matt Carpenter was a good performer. Many of the young players may not even know him that way. So there’s that.
I think the real answer is that neither of the team’s best two players are vocal guys.
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