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I’d say the first two way moreso than Gorman. I don’t think I was at all in the minority when I expected both Goldschmidt and Arenado to be the two bats that were going to do the heavy lifting for the offense. I had high hopes for Gorman to be a nice complementary piece, but the first two guys were the ones I’d banked on to generate the primary power production. They’ve both been tremendous disappointments at this juncture.
I do agree with that TD. Goldy and NA are paid to be middle of the order sluggers. Gorman was miscast. He is less a disappointment well down in the order because of the power aspect. You just can’t have a .190 BA, 37% K rate in the heart of the order.
Do Cardinals fans truly appreciate the development and contribution of Winn, Burleson and Pages have made this season? Especially, since others, with high expectations, have not performed well. I’m very glad those quality players, Winn, Burleson and Pages, are with the Cardinals. Hopefully, for many years to come.
Yeah, I’d say Gorman’s way miscast, Bling. Remember last season when the ingenious Cardinal manager decided to place him in the 3 slot? I just looked it up and Gorman had 229 PA’s in ’23 from that all important position in the order. I also clearly remember that he was swinging the bat very well last season up until almost the precise moment he was placed at #3 in the order and all that extra pressure was placed on the 23 yr. old player. He then entered the proverbial tailspin.
I think they have learned how better to pitch to him. They have learned to err out of the zone and risk a walk than err over the plate. They have observed that he is not able to foul off unhittable pitches that are too close to take. He does not have the contact skill to do that. They have figured out how to work that to advantage. It is why it is futile to think he will spontaneously just snap out of a funk. It is not a funk. It is the new reality for him and he has to learn a whole new skill to respond to it.
I agree. Kingman and Dunn never snapped their way out of the sort of hitters they both proved to be. They were what they were.
bling crafted this narrative:
It is why it is futile to think he will spontaneously just snap out of a funk. It is not a funk. It is the new reality for him and he has to learn a whole new skill to respond to it.
Then please explain how for the ENTIRE MONTH of May, Gorman put up this line: .242/.359/.561/.920. Six HR and 13 RBI in 20 games. If he could do that every month, he would be an All-Star. Even last year, he had huge monthly variations in his results. April/May great, June terrible, July great, August terrible, September great.
I guess he kept “learning how to hit” only to experience amnesia.
I bet you didn’t know that Gorman’s BABIP for the entire month this June was .151. That is about the lowest monthly mark and worst luck on batted balls that I have ever seen.
Maybe, but batted balls from Gorman have been a rare occurance, Brian. I’m one of his staunchest supporters, but if he doesn’t begin making a little more contact, I don’t see how even hitting 25 to 30 HR’s in a season can sustain him.
Gorman got hot for 20 games, which means something? That and the BABiP is luck? How about he saw a lot of mistakes in May. Does that work? Normally, its 20 games means nothing and a low BABiP means weak contact. He is over 300 PAs for the season, so lets face some reality. If you put someone who can hit in the middle of the order the RISP will go up, if you don’t it won’t.
BTW, Gorman is on pace for 215 Ks on the season. That would be tied for 5th all time, in 150 years of baseball.
As to Kingman, its no comparison. His career K% was under 25%, Gorman’s is near 34%.
I’m happy to see that someone alluded to RISP. I don’t see that one tossed out there as much as I’d like. Especially RISP with 2 outs. With all of these fancy numbers and splits, the performance with RISP seems to get lost. That number to me is pretty important. Besides runs scored, it may be the most important offensive stat there is.
Yeah, but we both know Kingman’s era was a lot different than the present. Kingman’s K rate was considered to be appalling when he played. Just the same, it was fun to watch him take his rips…Haha!
Gorman by Month:
April .634 OPS
May .920 OPS
June .532 OPS
July 1.267It’s just tough to say what Gorman is. When he’s good, he crushes balls like no one on this team. But when he’s bad, he appears helpless.
I think it would be nuts to give up on this kid. He’s only 24. If he figures out a way to become more consistent, we have one of the leading sluggers in baseball.
I urge patience.
Well that July is SSS. Even when Gorman was really hot in May, I was posting he is very streaky. Gorman has a lot of talent and hopefully as he matures he can become a little more consistent. Gorman is exactly the type of player if our FO trades him, the posters saying trade him will be screaming how stupid our FO is for letting him go when he succeeds somewhere else.
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Of course he’s streaky.
Point is, will he always be so streaky or is that a product of his youth? Will he mature as a hitter?
Time will tell….
If Gorman could hit .240 with 30 HR and 90 RBI and an OPS of .800 the Cardinals could make him the 3B of the future if they could move Arenado in the offseason. Nolan 2 will cost around $25M less than Nolan 1.
Our power sources are pretty thin, especially now that the bronze busts can’t manage a league avg slg%.
If Gorman could hit .240 with 30 HR and 90 RBI and an OPS of .800 the Cardinals could make him the 3B of the future if they could move Arenado in the offseason. Nolan 2 will cost around $25M less than Nolan 1.
I don’t see anybody trading for a 3B that hits singles and has that kind of contract.
If Arenado ends the season at .270 with 13 homeruns, I will be shocked.
I think you can count on him for the next two seasons at 3B. If he’s just a latter-day David Freese, so be it.
I don’t see anybody trading for a 3B that hits singles and has that kind of contract.
Depends on how much is paid down.
Then Nolan 2 won’t cost $25 million less than Nolan 1.
The only player I recall DeWitt paying down multiple years of a contract to ship off was Mike Leake.
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