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Yes GS, current context. We have no idea what any of the 30 teams will do by opening day. We could be anywhere between 10th and 16th by opening day.
The Cardinals are a legacy team. They like tradition and they like legacy players whom the fans can cheer for and relate to year after year. The same goes within the DeWitt family.
It goes all the way back to Bill DeWitt, Sr. and the Browns. He was selling soda pop at Browns games in 1916.Getting back to the playoffs over the past 8 years, and to Brian’s point about playoff games. What were they lacking? I was screaming for a MOTO bat for some of those years. Now they have 2 MOTO bats. As a matter of fact those players came in 1st and 3rd in the NL MLP voting. Does that sound like BDW is not up with the times? The Cardinals came in tied for 5th in most runs scored in MLB last season. Even with O’Neill, Carlson, and the catching position having poor years. What do posters want? The Cards to come in 1st in runs scored every year among 30 teams?
jj said,
Yes GS, current context. We have no idea what any of the 30 teams will do by opening day. We could be anywhere between 10th and 16th by opening day.
I am not sure the Cards moving up has much of a chance of happening. Other than trading away salary, how could the 2023 payrolls of the teams ahead of the Cardinals go down? Likely the bigger spenders are not divesting payroll just before camps open or during spring training.
Or are you counting on the Cards to spend more money in the next couple of months to advance on the list? Neither seems likely.
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Getting back to the playoffs over the past 8 years, and to Brian’s point about playoff games. What were they lacking? I was screaming for a MOTO bat for some of those years. Now they have 2 MOTO bats. As a matter of fact those players came in 1st and 3rd in the NL MLP voting…
And they still can’t win playoff series even with two of the best hitters in the game. Perhaps the biggest problem is elsewhere. Did you read the BenFred article linked to on Page 1?
There are a number of question marks with the Cardinals, just like there are with most teams. Will TO bounce back? Will Carlson bounce back? Is Nootbaar for real? How will Matz be in a pitcher’s stadium with a great defense behind him? Is Jack healthy and back to his top of the rotation self? Until you really know what you have, it’s not smart to make moves just to make moves. As Mo said at Winter Warm Up, it’s a long season and there are always opportunities along the way to improve the club as needed.
Brian – They didn’t win, even with 2 big guys in the lineup?
They win game one if Helsley was healthy. That would probably have changed the momentum. Right? And the 2 big guys will never hit like that in future playoff games. At least to my way of thinking. They’re too good for that.Sure, I read BenFred’s article, Brian. I read it in the paper.
Would you have wanted to sign a front line starter to a 10 year contract? I sure wouldn’t. I’d wait until I see how
Jack and Mikolas do, and if needed trade for a top guy with a lower budget team who’s in his arbitration years. We have the trade chips. We also have dry powder to extend him if he likes it here.BW, Stl spent 9.5mil last March on VerHagen, Dickerson and Pujols, so they do spend up to opening day. But, so do other clubs. TBD.
I normally try to avoid reading both BenFred and Goold in the StL. PD simply because on the rare occasion that I succumb to curiousity and attempt to read either one of these two guys columns, I invariably feel as though I’ve ingested a handful of potent tranquilizers to counter the ill effects of Kommissar vodka…
Isn’t a bit presumptuous Mr. Bccran to speak for all Cardinals fans? I am one and I don’t fit in any of the description you detailed. I want my team to win. Not be entertained through another disappointing season. I don’t like their “business model”. If you do great for you. But your constant preaching about the Cardinal way is getting repetitive. I can’t stand listening to the ownership diatribe. Doing the same thing and expecting different results is well not sane.
Counting on flaherty and mikolas being top of the rotation stuffs is just more of the hoping. Same with waino. Mikolas is a steady pitcher, good enough to be a number 3 on a really good pitching staff. Flaherty in my opinion is done as far as being a great pitcher. Maybe he will be good but good doesn’t get it done in October. Far as waino, yea I hope he rebounds but when you are counting on a 39, 40 year old pitcher to be anything more than serviceable, the team isn’t being ran right. Let’s hope there aren’t injuries. Find me a recent season where we haven’t had a lot of injuries, sometimes you have to face reality. To say it comes down to luck n hope for all teams to win the world series, that’s bogus. Who was the team most people were expecting to win the series around august onward, including me. It was Houston. Who won it, Houston did. I didn’t want them to win but they built themselves a winner. You can kind of say the same for Phillies. They didn’t just say hey we will stick with it n hope. They decided to fire their manager, after that their record speaks for itself. Yea we could might have won that one game but it wasn’t helsleys injury in my eyes, it was the bad managing that put a obviously injured helsley in a extended situation. Plus if the team really had playoff Moxy, that one game wouldn’t have led to a sweep and a horrible performance by our biggest players. Far as Dewitt n the browns. Sorry I respect the browns but they were a losing organization, just like the cubs. There’s a reason why they left and the Cardinals are still there.
Oliver…I’ve found that if I simply choose to seek out a bit of humor and listen closely, the Cardinal “ownership diatribe” is extremely entertaining. I’m reminded of Tom and Jerry, Daffy Duck, and many more of the great comedic geniuses of my youth. If you can’t find a bit of humor in Billy Jr. and Johnny, along with his traveling secretary and the rest of the gang, I’d suggest paying closer attention. Come to think of it, the Redbird field manager is beginning to take on the same tone. Sometimes it’s best to laugh to keep from crying…
Would you have wanted to sign a front line starter to a 10 year contract? I sure wouldn’t.
I don’t know of any pitchers that came close to a 10 year contract this winter. That is an exaggeration. Regardless, there are other ways to get a frontline starter than free agency.
1982willie…You’re certianly right about Houston. They’re really good and I’d say they have good chance at a rerun. There’s not a soft spot on that ballclub and I was surprised that Philly won 2 games in the WS. Those were the only 2 losses the Astros suffered in the entire ’22 post-season. I’ll also say that I’m now convinced that their field manager ain’t too shabby either. My buddy Rats tried to tell me how good he is, but I wouldn’t listen…Haha!
Well 1tough, sometimes talent can overcome bad managing though I don’t think dusty is that bad. I just never have liked him much, probably more to do with teams he’s coached than anything.
I’ve never been too crazy about him either, Willie, but I can’t help but to acknowledge that he’s a very experienced and capable Big League field manager. I was always genuinely entertained by all of the extracurricular activities that took place whenever Dusty and TLR went into battle as fierce adversaries when he was with the Giants, Cubbies and Reds. TLR would normally steal his lunch money and old Dusty wouldn’t be too happy about it…Haha! At any rate, he finally got his WS Championship with an outstanding Astros ballclub and it would be my best guess that LaRussa, being the great sportsman that he is, is happy for his old foe.
If you don’t like the Cardinals business model, you’re going to be a very frustrated fan – year after year after year. Tough to be that way as a fan. Better to enjoy a winning season and at least a chance in the playoffs. There sure are a bunch of fan bases that don’t even have that.
I’m not frustrated, I’m a fan whether they lose or win. But I can also hope that the Cardinals get sold to a owner who is willing to reward all the fans with an effort that is worthy of said fans. The cardinal fans are fans of the team and it’s history not the owners. It’s possible he will get smart and decide to be more proactive but not counting on that. Of course maybe like he says they will luck into a world series win. People do win the lottery. But just like the guy with the winning ticket doesn’t get any credit for knowing what numbers to pick, I’m not going to give these owners any credit for things going their way.
bc, this last statement tells me that you believe they won’t win the World Series unless they get lucky. I can still be a fan and think the team could do better than just get lucky to win it all.
This team, as it is currently situated, does not have a chance to win the World Series, IMO. There are too many things that have to align.
2022 was not a disappointing season. The Cardinals won their division by 7 games and had the 6th best record in MLB. The Phillies beat us in the playoffs and went on to represent the NL in the WS. The Phillies had 6 fewer wins than the Cardinals did in the regular season. In the playoffs, it is all about who gets hot and the Phillies were that team.
The Phillies were hot well before the playoffs. Though I don’t consider it hot, they just were better, made a change where needed and played very well the second half. Same with Houston. They didn’t suddenly get hot. They played well most of the year. I don’t buy the hot thing generally especially in the playoffs. Hot is like the Cardinals were at the end of the 2021 season, but how did that work out in the playoffs. I’d rather be good than lucky.
That’s exactly right, GameCard. It’s who gets hot and who’s healthy going into the playoffs. Very rarely does the team that’s preseason ranked the best team in MLB win it all. Just doesn’t work that way. Last season in mid season, the Yankees and Dodgers were ranked #1 and #2 by BA. Neither won the WS.
The Phillies were ranked #14.jj said:
BW, Stl spent 9.5mil last March on VerHagen, Dickerson and Pujols, so they do spend up to opening day. But, so do other clubs. TBD.
While that is true, you should not use last offseason as a comparison. Due to the lockout, EVERYONE signed EVERYONE late. There isn’t much left out there now in free agency that will fetch much money – unless Correa becomes a free agent again!
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