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  • #38519
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    Interesting they pick up another OFer.

    #38520
    BlackHillsCardBlackHillsCard
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    Beat me by 30 seconds.

    It is interesting they picked up another OF prospect. Woodman is the 28th ranked prospect in Blue Jays system.

    #38521
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    It does clear another 40 man roster slot.

    #38522
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    Didn’t get anything back eirher

    #38524
    mbusappmbusapp
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    An all-star in 2016 to being traded for guy about to be 23 who hit .240 with a .699 OPS in A ball. How does that happen?

    #38525
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    Cards front office is bad at trades is how

    #38526
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    Wow….. trading him wasn’t a bad idea, trading him for nothing is unbelievable. I️ sure hope they know what they are doing, I’m sure I’m not alone in feeling it’s Stanton or bust at this point?

    #38527
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    If clears something like 2.5 million based on last year’s salary and a 40 man spot. That gives them a little more space to add another salary if they trade another player. Gonna be busy over the next two weeks.

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    #38530
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    Stanton + Ziegler = roster spots #39 and #40.

    #38531
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    LOL, the kid was their No. 2 draft pick in 2016. This board is getting really brutal.

    #38532
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    23 year old who did nothing but strike out st A ball ugh

    #38533
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    362 ABs 157 Ks in 2017. Ouch.

    #38537
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    This makes it seem like a desire to cut payroll
    https://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2017/12/1/16726540/blue-jays-acquire-ss-aledmys-diaz-from-cardinals-for-jb-woodman

    Perhaps due to incoming salaries from the Marlins (and to free up roster space)

    #38538
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    Unless they can give Woodman a complete makeover of his swing, this is a wasted trade. We are certainly already loaded with outfield prospects, so there will be no pressure for him to perform unless Diaz turns back into the 2016 version, in which case, the Blue Jays just picked our pockets!

    #38539
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    Wow. On the surface, this seems like a horrendous trade. Diaz probably isn’t 2016 good but he’s a big league player with 4 more years of control. Maybe he’s irreparably damaged or something but…still…

    #38540
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    I always trust my gut instinct when it comes to trades. And my gut instinct tells me this one is going to haunt us. Big time.

    r/Rat

    #38548
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Took a little longer to write up, but I hope you’ll find my analysis of tonight’s #stlcards Aledmys Diaz-J.B. Woodman trade worth reading. (free).

    https://thecardinalnation.com/cardinals-flip-diaz-to-toronto-for-minors-outfielder-woodman/

    #38554
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    Same type of trade as matt adams. Go get a high upside high bonus guy with power who is decently far away and might have the light turn on… But maybe had an off year.

    If you make five of these trades and one works out you look like a genius. Individual trades could seem pretty stupid though.

    I like the trend… But people are wondering what they’re thinking without looking at the bigger picture.

    Here’s a hint. Yepez, O’Neill and now woodman. What do they all have in common.

    Hint: talent and in most cases power.

    All it takes is one of the three being a three or four time all star and the cards win those deals cumulatively… Hands down.

    We are basically flipping average players for lottery tickets with high upside. Play enough and odds are you win.

    It is also how you keep long term depth when youre going to start flipping outfielders.

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    #38557
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    This trade probably also indicates there are some fireworks coming. Sure they could stop with this deal but I doubt it…

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    I dont see much indicating fireworks. Maybe eyeing someone in the Rule 5 draft as well as a reliever.

    #38561
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    Still don’t get this trade. It just stupid mo move

    #38568
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    Noonan, you don’t think the Cards sold LoW on Adams and Diaz?

    #38569
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    I am not Noonan, but here is my take. There is no win. While I think the Cards sold “low” on Adams and Diaz, I have no confidence the players would ever regain a position to enable the club to sell them “high”. And if the players did improve, there would be less reason to sell at all. I see these as roster pruning matters, not direction-changers. JMO, so others please chime in.

    #38570
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    I agree with BW. This was nothing more than roster pruning. I also agree that he was passed over within the system and his value was not going to improve much. I do wish him well on his fresh start in Canada.

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    #38575
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    I didn’t like the Adams trade at the time, but he wound up being non-tendered, which means that since the Cardinals got something, they won from their perspective. Something is better than nothing. Atlanta won from their perspective in that Adams went on a tear the first month there. The best trades are win-win.

    Diaz was out of options by conventional rules, though he had one left due to his contract. I think he would have been better as a kicker in a Marlins deal (since they are lacking IF depth), but the Cardinals were up against a deadline to keep him, trade him or non-tender him. They chose a trade. A trade beats a non-tender.

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