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December 24, 2017 at 9:00 am #40471
Coming in at #9 in The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 countdown is a hard-throwing right-hander who remains one of the St. Louis Cardinals organization’s most anonymous top prospects, Ryan Helsley. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-9-ryan-helsley/
December 25, 2017 at 9:14 am #40551The fastest-rising prospect in The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 rankings from year to year is our second-ranked catching prospect in the St. Louis Cardinals system. But how long will that last for Andrew Knizner? ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-8-andrew-knizner/
December 26, 2017 at 8:19 am #40579The seventh-ranked player in The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 countdown is no longer a St. Louis Cardinals prospect secret after making some the greatest strides forward in the system last season, Jordan Hicks. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-7-jordan-hicks/
December 26, 2017 at 9:06 pm #40618What I found interesting about Helsley when I saw him at AA was that he was clearly working off his change and cutter. He threw about 33% fastballs in the first four innings and topped out at 94 or 95. As he went deeper, his fastball frequency turned up a notch and his velocity jumped up to 96 and 97. At the end of his night in the 7th or 8th, he hit 99 and one 100. He seems coachable and willing to take risks in order to get better.
December 26, 2017 at 10:08 pm #40619Nice post, Nigel T.
December 27, 2017 at 9:20 am #40647Coming in at #6 in The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 prospect countdown is a first-full year pitcher who is the only St. Louis Cardinals organization prospect to ever be named the Texas League Pitcher of the Year, Dakota Hudson. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-6-dakota-hudson/
December 28, 2017 at 8:09 am #40703The Cardinal Nation’s top 50 prospect countdown for 2018 moves into the top five with an outfielder Tyler O’Neill, who as soon as he joined the Cardinals system, became its top power prospect. FREE article.
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-5-tyler-oneill/
December 29, 2017 at 9:07 am #40777At #4 in The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 prospect countdown is a 23-year old outfielder who made his MLB debut with St. Louis last summer and does everything well, Harrison Bader. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-4-harrison-bader/
December 30, 2017 at 9:58 am #40835The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 prospect countdown is down to #3 with Yadier Molina’s heir as St. Louis’ catcher, a 23-year old who will need to maintain a high level of patience in the years ahead, Carson Kelly. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-3-carson-kelly/
December 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm #4084914NyquisT
ParticipantBW, your written commentary is hardly a ringing endorsement for for the prospect you have chosen to fill the #2 slot. Kelly seems destined to be the bench caddie for Molina after the FO extended YM for three years. On that day, a death knell could be heard over Kelly’s head.
You mentioned injury as a way that Carson could get some playing time. Even if he outplays Molina during the absence, Yadi will still take over on his return. Don’t forget Yadi is calling the shots now. He has been empowered by an overpriced contract to do so by the men upstairs. Clearly Yadi and his posse have been undermining the clubhouse and disrupting the dugout ever since.
The fan base no doubt wanted Molina back, perhaps not realizing the consequences. They want a straight path for Molina to enter into the HOF. But at what non-financial cost? Molina is ego-driven and disregards that cost. It will be Yadi being Yadi… the tail wagging the dog.
The front office has plainly put Kelly in a LOSE-LOSE situation and has pandered to the folks who discount his importance as the best catching prospect available. His options in the organization are very limited. Perhaps the Cards want to see how much, and if, Knizner will progress before pulling the plug on Kelly’s stay in St Louis. Otherwise, Carson’s value will only decline if he is spending his days spitting out seeds on the dugout floor.
Kelly could be a #1 prospect but not in our organization, the FO has abandoned him. These things should at least been thought about by readers here.
December 30, 2017 at 12:44 pm #40850I rang the bell on Kelly the day the Molina extension was announced. After that, there was no viable exit strategy other than trading Kelly. His value will never be higher than it is this off season. I hope the FO at least realizes that.
December 30, 2017 at 1:36 pm #40851We don’t yet know, for sure, how good Kelly will actually be. Molina is still one of the best catchers in the game, and maybe the best defensive catcher ever.
In my opinion, extending Molina was a very classy action by the front office. It allows Molina to be one of the few players in MLB who start and finish their career with the same organization. Molina played under team friendly contracts for much of his career, and its gratifying to see that the organization treating him with the respect he deserves as he enters the twilgiht of his career.
December 31, 2017 at 8:48 am #40893At #2 in The Cardinal Nation’s annual top 50 prospect countdown is a promising right-hander who advanced from starting in high-A to doing the same for St. Louis in just 12 months – still while just 21 years of age – Jack Flaherty. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-2-jack-flaherty/
December 31, 2017 at 9:54 am #4090714NyquisT
Participant“I firmly and strongly disagree with those who base their comparable player assessments on projected 2018 role. In my view, these prospect rankings are about ultimate potential as a player, and should never be role- or depth chart-based, both of which are subjective and can easily change at a moment’s notice, whether by trade, injury or effectiveness.” -BW
***************************************************************************Kelly is a special case because it involves a 3-year window and because he is a catcher, he is not an infielder, an outfielder or a pitcher. There’s only one catcher on the field at a time. Kelly’s “ultimate potential as a player” will not begin to be realized until 2021, if Plan A is kept in order. That will lead to “osmosis”, I think it was called. Plan A can also be called the “Molina contract” which I have been critical of long before it was announced. Kindly read CN’s top-stories-of-the-year #6.
When you have “”prospect” and “osmosis” in the same sentence… that can kind of take away from potential in my mind. I don’t like Plan A and I’ve made that quite clear. I am a big Kelly fan since he was drafted and actually watched a youtube video of him driving to his first pro spring training camp. It was short and rather silly, he was a teenager then! I wrote about Plan A yesterday as being detrimental to Kelly’s career. And if “A” proceeds forward will diminish not only his skills, because of lack of playing time (there’s a limit to what you can absorb while sitting as a spectator), but also his potential and value. That backup catcher mentality is sure to set in with Plan A.
Is there any clear reason to put his ETA earlier than 2021? Is there any reason to believe Molina will be leaving before then. Carson Kelly will be Eric Fryer for three seasons? That is what goes through my mind.
Flaherty’s is a totally different situation. As of now he has the opportunity to live up to his potential in 2018… like tomorrow. I firmly believe that if there is one little slip up, one little injury the Cardinals will feel confident in inserting Flaherty into the rotation. Its also my belief that Flaherty will be at the top or near the top of the rotation by 2021.
To further illustrate the difference in projection between the two: at spring training 2021, Flaherty will be a seasoned starter, pitching to a first-season starting catcher, yep, Kelly.
December 31, 2017 at 10:23 am #40909To summarize my take: I am evaluating players. Kelly may have to rely on a Molina injury or to be traded to realize his potential as quickly as Flaherty, but it does not change his potential as I assess it today. That could change down the road, of course.
December 31, 2017 at 1:30 pm #40914Maybe the Cardinals should start Kelly one game per week this year, two games per week next year and three games per week the third year.
Plus, maybe give him a couple of stints in AAA for more playing time this year…
December 31, 2017 at 3:11 pm #40922C2016, who is going to ask Molina if that plan is ok? 😉
December 31, 2017 at 3:32 pm #40924LOL…
I think this is where Mozeliak has to say, “I don’t think I guaranteed him anything other than a bunch of money.”
January 1, 2018 at 10:01 am #4095614NyquisT
ParticipantThere’s a possibility that the return of Oquendo will add to the divisiveness in the clubhouse, and it won’t be Oquendo’s doing. There is already a coven of players that would prefer to have O replace Matheny. A poor start to the season could make this a reality. That may be in the back of some player’s minds. I’m not saying they will be trying to sabotage the season, but they may not be playing to save Matheny either. That subconsciousness might kick in…. human nature.
January 1, 2018 at 10:05 am #40957Interesting backstory possibility. The way to head it off is for Oquendo to stand shoulder to shoulder in solidarity with Matheny. I doubt we will see that, though. Any problems would be difficult to assess unless there are additional blatant actions like Molina’s 2017 outbursts. You can bet even if it is occurring, it will be poo-poohed as the work of trouble-makers trying to make something out of nothing.
Of course, winning has a way of covering fissures, so getting off to a fast start, unlike the last two years, will be even more important than ever before.
January 1, 2018 at 10:10 am #40958Tying Colby Rasmus’ record, Alex Reyes is our #1 prospect for the third consecutive year. (free)
https://thecardinalnation.com/tcn-2018-st-louis-cardinals-prospect-1-alex-reyes/
January 2, 2018 at 9:37 am #41023Opening the analysis phase of the top 50 prospect list for 2018, I detailed all the votes and identified the movers and shakers from year to year. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/2018-top-cardinals-prospects-the-final-tally/
January 2, 2018 at 1:04 pm #4103214NyquisT
ParticipantNice analysis and summary of the Top-50. I especially like the prospects rankings going back going back to 2011. I noticed thee that only a few prospects have moved up consistently or going higher each year. DS had four players on his personal list that didn’t make the top-50, BW had five, which we’ll see by Friday. On my personal list (post-season, pre Community vote) I also had six that didn’t make the CN final list.
My 41-50 were:
41.Young CN=#45
42.Denton #42
43.Shew NR
44.Trosclair NR
45.Wisdom #40
46.Bandes NR
47.Kruczynski NR
48.Oxnevad #39
49.Castano NR-traded
50.Santos NR
Very close behind
Lucas
Summerville
Guillory
Cedeno
I’ll probably update my list when this series ends next Thursday. I’ll be taking into account the prospect additions and subtractions, plus what the views given by others.
BW… thanks for keeping the hot stove warm.January 2, 2018 at 9:00 pm #41049You are welcome! A lot of good and unique content just ahead this month.
January 3, 2018 at 8:32 am #41064Digging into the 15 new names on our St. Louis Cardinals’ minor league top prospect list for 2018 plus two returnees. Cuban OF Adolis Garcia leads the way. ($)
https://thecardinalnation.com/2018-top-cardinals-prospects-the-newbies/
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