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November 18, 2024 at 7:29 am #271921
When I look at the list, I’ve felt like these first 9 (also my first 9 just in a little different order) were clearly the cream of the crop and there was a gap between them and the next group of 7 guys. The first 9 are solid bets to play in St Louis as regulars and all have at least some chance of one day being a future all star. The next 7 to me are guys who look like solid bets to be destined for St Louis, but may or may not be every day contributors. In no particular order, that’s Graceffo, Roby, Lin, Bedell, Showalter, Rajcic, and Robberse. All pitchers. Sorry Cranny – I can’t rank Petrutz this high yet so it’ll be a minute for me to call his name.
I’m going to go with Roby for my #10. I don’t feel strongly about the order of the 7 – only that they are all the next tier. Roby has the best “stuff” of any pitcher we have (or is at least equal to Hence). He also hurt his shoulder and then missed more time last season. That makes me very wary of him. However, after watching him pitch a couple times last season, I was enthralled with his arsenal. So I’m putting him here at 10.
10. Roby
November 18, 2024 at 7:31 am #271922PadsFS
Participant#10 – Lin (Roby is still a good prospect also) I don’t see a drop off since I have Lin above Bernal and Davis.
November 18, 2024 at 7:36 am #271923
stlcard25ParticipantOh, and for the #1-9 so far…
1. Quinn Mathews, LHP
2. JJ Wetherholt, IF
3. Tink Hence, RHP
4. Jimmy Crooks, C
5. Michael McGreevy, RHP
6. Thomas Saggese, IF
7. Cooper Hjerpe, LHP
8. Chase Davis, OF
9. Leonardo Bernal, CNovember 18, 2024 at 7:48 am #271924LouisEu
ParticipantI also have that group of pitchers now, all more or less equivalent.
As I said I do not consider Lin because I believe that his performances are due to the fact that he played at a much lower level than the others.I stay with Robberse as my #10 (I have Roby right behind)
November 18, 2024 at 8:13 am #27192510. Graceffo
November 18, 2024 at 9:28 am #271936Voting is now open for the #10 prospect, our last single vote. We will set the deadline at noon CT/1 PM ET Tuesday, November 20th. But we can extend it a bit if voting seems to be close.
Is that Tuesday the 19th or Wednesday the 20th?
November 18, 2024 at 9:30 am #271937I will not give a preview of my upcoming picks but for #10 I am going with Gordon Graceffo.
November 18, 2024 at 10:10 am #271942
stlcard25ParticipantIs that Tuesday the 19th or Wednesday the 20th?
Goodness gracious, more mistakes in a few rounds of voting this year than in my entire time doing this before. Sorry to have to knock all the rust off in real time. It will be Tuesday the 19th. Voting rounds always end on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday if there’s ever any doubt.
November 18, 2024 at 10:29 am #271943I’ll stay with Lin #10.
November 18, 2024 at 10:56 am #27194514NyquisT
ParticipantMy pick for #10 is Graceffo. He deserves to be in the top 10.
ps I had him at #8.
November 18, 2024 at 4:04 pm #271958This is where I’ll jump on board the Lin hype train. Lin #10.
I thought the first tier of players ended at #6. We are now in the second tier where we are betting on “hope.”
November 18, 2024 at 4:31 pm #271959
cardsfan64ParticipantGraceffo at #10 for me, also. I had he and Bernal switched. Lots of pitchers coming up!
November 18, 2024 at 7:22 pm #271963bccran
Participant10. Petrutz
November 18, 2024 at 7:56 pm #271967There’s potential for Graceffo to contribute at the major league level in 2025 especially if he puts in the work during this offseason.
#10. Graceffo
There sure aren’t any players that jump out at you in the next group from #11 to #20, although there’s growing hope for Lin. I could see him ranked at #10. The Cardinals probably kept him at Palm Beach all season because they want to give him time to fill out a bit. He probably looks awful skinny at 6’7 and 188 lbs.
November 18, 2024 at 8:06 pm #271968Lin has crazy amount of projection. He has a very big frame at 6’7″ and has plenty of room to put on even more weight. He already has a great fastball that sits upper 90s and he still seems raw to me. But given some development, I can see him turning into a very valuable pitcher and I look forward to seeing what he can do next year. I would like to see them be aggressive and move him to AA quickly if he has success in A+.
#10 Chen-Wei Lin
November 18, 2024 at 11:02 pm #271969#10 Chen-Wei Lin
Excellent season overall, but it’s the unusually strong finish that persuades me.
Over his last 8 starts: 45.1 IP, just 29 hits, and a sterling 57-to-9 strikeout-to-walk tally. One homer, an ERA of 1.19, and an opponents’ OPS under .500.Yeah he’s kinda old, and it’s a pitcher’s park in a pitcher’s league, but that’s a lot to like — not to mention he could actually lose significant velocity and still have the minimum daily required fastball for a mid-rotation MLB starter. I look forward to watching him in Peoria next year.
November 19, 2024 at 5:35 am #271971Nice summary on Lin, Bob. Its really, really, unusual for me to get lathered up over a low A guy. I’m not even on the Wetherholt bandwagon yet, but Lin is very compelling.
November 19, 2024 at 6:35 am #271972mud said:
He probably looks awful skinny at 6’7 and 188 lbs.
November 19, 2024 at 6:38 am #271973
stlcard25ParticipantAmongst Florida State League pitchers with 70 IP, here is Chien-Wei Lin’s rank in various different stats:
Innings 2nd
Wins 1st
ERA 8th
Strikeouts 2nd
K/BB 10th
WHIP 4th
FIP 3rd
HR Rate 2ndHe kept the ball on the ground, limited hard contact and has the size to maintain his velocity long term. The Cards were moving him slowly, but I suspect that may change this year. I like his upside more than quite a few in front of him, but he’s a bit further out. Still, “Wei-No” is my pick for #10.
November 19, 2024 at 6:41 am #271974That makes it 5 for Graceffo, 5 for Lin, and 1 each for Roby, Robberse, and Petrutz. 5 1/2 hours before the polls close and we begin voting for 2 at a time.
November 19, 2024 at 6:55 am #271977I guess while I was tallying, “25” picked Lin so now it’s 6-5 Lin over Graceffo.
November 19, 2024 at 8:27 am #271984
stlcard25ParticipantYes, it’s a tight contest. I know we have at least one person who voted for Lin last round whose #10 vote is outstanding. Not sure if there are any precincts yet to report for Graceffo.
November 19, 2024 at 10:02 am #27199914NyquisT
Participanti have it at 5-5. Am I missing a vote?
November 19, 2024 at 10:18 am #272000
stlcard25Participant14NyQuisT…yes, it is currently 6-5, so you missed a vote somewhere. Still two hours to go, but Lin is sitting pretty at this point.
November 19, 2024 at 11:03 am #272002I will drink the kool-aid.
#10 Lin
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