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  • #268725
    jj-cf-stl
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    Lol, would you keep handing Mo the same budget? Bill chooses infrastructure. It holds its value better.

    #268756
    Cardinal in France
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    I know it’s a mere drop in the spending bucket, but as they say, nickels eventually add up to dollars:

    How about returning to just two uniforms, white and gray, and stop trying to come up with cutsey new outfits for each day, like “the Lou” nonsense. What the hell is that? And do we really need to give away crap like ugly plastic bobbleheads (Noot sticking out his tongue latest example) for fans to pitch in the bin as soon as they get home? Does every game have to have a “theme.” And the salaries of people to dream this stuff up. How about spending these nickels on baseball. Who needs an organist blasting your ears off? Save a salary and get rid of him. Plenty of nickels out there begging to be better spent. Might even add up to enough to hire somebody who can hit.

    #268763
    LACardFan
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    Bill chooses infrastructure. It holds its value better.

    The billionaire has to cry poor if he wants taxpayer handouts.

    #268766
    Brian Walton
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    CIF, I don’t have access to the numbers, but I am pretty sure that they make more money in the end by having alternate uniforms and ballpark giveaways than if they did not have them. And making money is what matters most.

    #268785
    jj-cf-stl
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    Simple reallocation of last seasons budget. He sold shares of Mo and bought shares of Bloom. Those Mo shares are tanking 😀

    #277992
    gscottar
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    As we approach opening day here are the 40 man payroll rankings per Cot’s.

    1. Dodgers- $334.8
    2. Mets- $322.2
    3. Phillies- $289.5
    4. Yankees- $286.7
    5. Blue Jays- $243.1
    6. Rangers- $222.9
    7. Astros- $219.7
    8. Braves- $217.9
    9. Padres- $212.0
    10. Angels- $204.8
    11. Red Sox- $196.3
    12. Cubs- $193.5
    13. Dbacks- $190.2
    14. Giants- $175.6
    15. Orioles- $164.8
    16. Mariners- $152.9
    17. Twins- $149.4
    18. Tigers- $146.3
    19. Cardinals- $145.2
    20. Royals- $128.3
    21. Rockies- $127.7
    22. Nationals- $122.0
    23. Reds- $114.5
    24. Brewers- $109.1
    25. Guardians- $102.1
    26. Pirates- $90.3
    27. Rays- $82.9
    28. A’s- $78.2
    29. White Sox- $74.0
    30. Marlins- $68.9

    https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/

    #277994
    Jnevel
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    Well, at least we’re not the Angels who are flushing over $200 million down the toilet again.

    #278000
    AlbertTheMachine
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    Ha I had the exact same thought as I went down the list. Even as just a fan of baseball and not the Angels at all, I cannot stand seeing Rendon paid so much. He has said he has contemplated retirement for 10 years and doesn’t enjoy playing. Is it a coincident the year he signed his FA deal, he missed the majority of each season with a litany of lingering health issues? I hate stating that about any pro athlete as they are all competitors, but Rendon is the one guy I really question if he wants to play at all.

    #278001
    Brian Walton
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    That is Scott Boras client Anthony Rendon…

    #278004
    1toughdominican
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    It’s more than a little odd to know that the Marlins with a $68M payroll have won as many WS championships in the last 30 years as have the Cardinals. You’d almost think that Billy Jr. would hope that his tenure as a team owner would take on a legacy that was a bit more pronounced and notable than an organization that uses a fish for a mascot…

    #278038
    Thegreyghost
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    It looks like they shaved off around $45 million from 2024’s MLB team (MLB Roster- 26 players) payroll to this year according to Spotrac.

    #278042
    gscottar
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    According to Cots the 2024 40 man payroll ended the year at $180M so about a $35M difference.

    #278052
    jj-cf-stl
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    And another deadline / FA class to go.

    #280570
    Brian Walton
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    From The Athletic:

    In the first month of the 2025 season, the disparity between Major League Baseball’s upper crust and its lower-revenue counterparts has never appeared more stark. When the Dodgers host the Marlins this week, the payroll difference will be an estimated $406.5 million, which is believed to be the largest in modern history.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6305448/2025/04/28/dodgers-marlins-mlb-record-payroll-gap/

    #280575
    LACardFan
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    The Dodgers are not what is wrong with the sport.

    The Marlins are.

    #280576
    Jnevel
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    LA – and if the Marlins actually lose millions of dollars a year fielding the team they do, would you still feel the same way?

    #280579
    gscottar
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    The article lost me at $476M. That is not the Dodgers payroll obligation for 2025, therefore, I can only assume the writer is using the most extreme defintion of payroll (CBT+luxury tax paid) for clickbait purposes and to promote an agenda.

    #280580
    LACardFan
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    Jnevel – the Marlins payroll is less than they received in competitive balance sharing last year.

    If they are losing money fielding their team, they deserve to bankrupt the billionaires that bought the team. Presumably the very smart billionaires that bought the team knew their revenues and profitability as part of the due diligence process.

    #280586
    jj-cf-stl
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    Deferrals, buyouts and luxury taxes don’t get counted within in any seasons budget, unless you use CBT totals. If you don’t count Ohtani’s deferrals now, when do they get counted?

    #280591
    gscottar
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    Deferrals, buyouts and luxury taxes don’t get counted within in any seasons budget, unless you use CBT totals. If you don’t count Ohtani’s deferrals now, when do they get counted?

    It is very complicated but Cot’s does the best job of sorting it out of any source I have seen.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YX_O-LZuYfE9n8u3s3EICLAjp1hixwovsrTIJaaAXng/edit?gid=1520401900#gid=1520401900

    #280596
    forsch31
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    To me, the Dodgers and the Marlins are both examples of what is wrong with the sport. If the Dodgers aren’t a problem then just contract to 10 teams located in the cities who can afford the team spending that much money. The Marlins are an example of how the revenue sharing is severely flawed. Teams who won’t even try to field a competitive team for years on end while receiving welfare should be contracted or sold.

    #280597
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    Teams who won’t even try to field a competitive team for years on end while receiving welfare should be contracted or sold.

    The problem is the Marlins were just sold from Jeff Loria to Bruce Sherman. Sherman quickly realized he can make much higher profits by crying poor than trying to field a winning team.

    I am guessing that is part of the reason Jeter left the ownership group so quickly.

    And for those wondering, Miami is the 6th largest metropolitan statistical area (MSA) and 18th largest television market.

    St. Louis is 23rd and 24th, yet MLB sought to penalize the Cardinals for being good, but won’t penalize large market teams crying poor.

    #280605
    Jnevel
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    And again, it’s just as likely the Marlins actually do lose money.

    Owners invest for 2 reasons. First, we all think we can create a winner. It’s just like gambling only you get more influence. Everyone wants to be seen as a hero owner and our pride makes us think we’re smarter and better than we are. The second reason for buying really has to do with the first reason. It keeps driving the value of these teams up so they are a great investment even if they never make an operating profit.

    All of these owners make money doing other things. Owning a team is a fun opportunity to test drive your luck at the helm. If you fail, you may lose a little annually but you still win when you sell. And you have a little fun along the way.

    That’s the way I see it. It makes far more sense than the money grubbing owners just happening to always own the same teams theory. I’m sure there are a couple of those, but it’s probably not many.

    #280639
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    And again, it’s just as likely the Marlins actually do lose money.

    LOL. This is beyond absurd. You simply don’t understand finance.

    The economic disincentives MLB has given to teams to simply not compete is too big. I am sure BDW is seeing himself on a painful journey of two years, but he too will soon be collecting $70 million welfare checks.

    #280641
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    Teams receive $200 million

    Under the new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) negotiated in 2022, each MLB team pools 48 per cent of local revenues with the total amount split equally between all 30 teams. This results in each team taking in 3.3 per cent of the total—an estimated $110 million USD, if not more. Teams also receive a share of national revenues, totalling around $90 million USD per team.

    Teams actually receive about $200 million, before they need to start making money themselves. Of course, that revenue would be much higher if all teams actually tried to win.

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