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If anybody caught any post game comments/interviews/Oli TV can we get a summary, thanks.
Jack’s fastball command (lack of) was the main problem, so he couldn’t keep the hitters honest.
Motter in due to Gorman’s back. Didn’t have an update about Gorman’s status going forward. Why not DeJong instead of Motter? Already down 6 runs, wanted to get Motter some ABs.
It just now once again occured to me how surprised I was when I first heard that Mike Schildt had been cashiered. Not only did they show him the door pretty quickly, but he was also ushered out without a plausible explanation. That fact has me wondering why there seems to be quite a bit of what I would term a reluctant sort of hesitation to cashier the current Redbird manager. It’s my view that the Cardinal bosses exposed themselves to some bad PR not only in the media, but also around the league when Shildt was abruptly axed. It’s my guess that they currently feel as though they don’t want to revisit that type of unwanted PR. I really think they want to bring the curtain down on the current Redbird manager, but in essence, feel they may have painted themselves into the proverbial corner with the Schildt fiasco. It’s my view, that they don’t know what the heck to do…Haha!
Jack, Jake and Jordan, Ryan didn’t play in the WBC. Willson, Carlson, Donovan didn’t play either among a couple others.
I get initially wondering about the WBC, don’t buy too much into its impact either — especially this far removed. A lot of players from across MLB participated. In fact, the Cards were beaten in the referenced game by Trout and Ohtani getting big extra base hits to lead their comeback in the 9th. Both of those guys and several other Angels played in the WBC as much as our guys did.
We get another break in Colorado. The Rockies plate four runs in the 7th and five runs in the 8th and now have a 9-4 lead over the Brewers at Mile High Stadium. Assume they can hang on.
The good news is we are not losing ground since the Pirates, Cubs, Reds, and Brewers are all losing.
The bad news is that we are not gaining any ground.
The Brewers now go to San Francisco this weekend and then next week to Dodger Stadium. Time to finally get on a roll and pick up some games over the next several days.
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It’s my guess that they currently feel as though they don’t want to revisit that type of unwanted PR.
I have said a couple times this is why I think Oli is safe this year. It’s too soon. Mo starts looking like the larger problem. They don’t want to answer questions like “why has it been so difficult for you to hire a successful manager? What are you missing?” Of course a reporter could have fun with it, “Is identifying a good manager really as difficult as recognizing a good pitcher or outfielder?” – Haha.
To extend that further, consider BDW gets religion and wants to hire an experienced manager and put more power into his hands for on-field decisions. I don’t think that’s a sell Mo can make, at least not to a respectable experienced guy who knows how he wants to run a team. Mo has shown us who he is and it wouldn’t be a compatible arrangement. BDW would have to be the guy to sell it. Even so, there’d probably be a lot reservation if Mo was still around.
Euro, I agree with most of your assessment but I would add that it was actually BDW that set this philosophical shift to moneyball when he axed Jocketty and promoted Mo. As soon as TLR left the die was cast that only rookie inexperienced managers would be tolerated and BDW has approved that approach I am sure. It would be very surprising indeed for he and Mo to do a 180 at this point.
1td, to be fair I agree that it is time for a managerial change but I think we are just coming at it from different perspectives.
I think you were ready to remove Marmol the day we lost game one against the Phillies last Fall, if not before. And you seem to feel that Ollie is the sole reason we are in last place and we will rocket to first place as soon as we promote McEwing or Clapp.
I, on the other hand, view the Cardinal managerial position reduced to the point where it is almost meaningless. The person in that seat is almost just a glorified cheerleader and babysitter who does what he is told. He might be able to do enough around the margins to influence a few games here and there but most of the outcome stems from above.
However, I also believe that the game has a definite mental and human aspect to it so if a new manager can at least bring a jolt of energy to the club and a breath of fresh air it might be enough for us to climb back to .500 so that would be better than what we are dealing with now.
Yeah, I think it’s humorous that they may have unintentionally created a situation which places them in a position of paralysis in regards to freedom of action. Obviously, no one desires to experience even a slight degree of paralysis, but people in powerful positions must absolutely detest that sort of feeling.
gscott, no doubt on your comment to me. That’s why I think it would take something significant for BDW to make a shift, e.g.,”getting religion,” lol.
If this whole season plays out terribly, who knows though? At nearly 82 y/o, you’d think the thrill of winning another WS and “you can’t take it with you” might cross his mind and make him consider the possibility he’s been misallocating his faith and $$$ in the wrong part of the organization.
Gathering data and using it easy to do. Using it well in large corporations is operationally and culturally challenging.
Possibly to an extent, but I have a difficult time imagining a glorified cheerleader or babysitter taking on a bold and angry temperament prior to acsending a podium which faces members of the media who are present at a postgame presser and then publicly naming one of his players as someone he feels has displayed a lackluster effort.
I’ll also say that I naively attributed last season’s bizarre events of the post-season as a simple case of someone having a bad day at precisely the wrong time and had no desire to see the guy cashiered at that time. As it turns out, his sense of incredibly poor judgement and overall lack of common sense is obviously deeply ingrained. He should have been gone long ago.
I get initially wondering about the WBC, don’t buy too much into its impact either — especially this far removed. A lot of players from across MLB participated. In fact, the Cards were beaten in the referenced game by Trout and Ohtani getting big extra base hits to lead their comeback in the 9th. Both of those guys and several other Angels played in the WBC as much as our guys did.
So you’re with me that’s not the reason they suck? Lol
1-6 in one run games and a few others where they’ve had a lead early and lost or had been tied or in a close game. It’s clear this team can’t get over the hump in close games.
The starters aren’t doing enough and the bullpen has been at times a deer in headlights when it’s been handed a lead or tied or close. Either way all around it’s bad.
They could’ve blown the door open or traded a bunch of prospects for a so called ace but would an ACE really helped out that much with this mess?
No. Cy Young himself couldn’t exorcise all of the evil baseball gypsies that have latched on to this team.
Quite a few losing streaks currently alive in the NLC. I never thought it would be lucky to be only 10 games back.
So you’re with me that’s not the reason they suck? Lol
It probably wouldn’t make my top 10 list, haha.
Looks to me like the players should have skipped the WBC. By the looks of things, they should have skipped ST’ing.
all of the evil baseball gypsies that have latched on to this team
I thought this was just a comic/stress release phrase when things were going bad, so you don’t do things like break furniture. But they’re real, aren’t they? I bet Oli thinks so too, they didn’t let him get but an hour of sleep last night.
I do feel for guys in that position in some ways. It can be tough if you’re not wired to handle it. When I was in high school/college I worked at a mall sporting goods store in my hometown for a guy who was a former head football coach. The guy started from nothing and pretty quickly became a millionaire businessman, first in sporting goods and then expanded into other businesses. His big break was somehow he was able to lockdown a pretty huge area as the sole Nike distributor for quite a while when they first got hot in the late 70s. Anyway, when we first talked about why he left coaching, he said it was all due to the stress. He loved it, but said after games he’d double over in abdominal pain when decompressing from the tension. This guy was no wimp. He felt like if he didn’t get out of coaching, he wasn’t going to survive.
Oh, they’re real alright. You and I both know that, Euro. And they recognize an opportunity to cast their malevolent intentions in the direction of someone who’s been weakened by acts of sacrilege that go entirely against certain time honored baseball traditions. It’s my firm belief that after what’s transpired not only since last Autumn, but also during this season, that vast legions of them have made their presence known. It’s simply what they do. Once they make their ugly appearance and gain a firm foothold, it sometimes takes quite an effort to excorcise the evil little demons.
Both of them are probably too smart to take on the job, but why hasn’t Jose Oquendo or Willie McGee been mentioned as a possible Redbird manager lately?
Oquendo has been passed over several times which is why I think he decided to go to Florida to work with the minor leaguers.
1td, to clarify is it your position that the sole reason the Cardinals are in last place is because of Marmol?
No, gscottar, not at all. The sole reason is a 10-22 W/L record that’s been augmented by the presence of several instances of incredibly poor judgement. And I’m in total agreement with your assertion that the only thing that a managerial change can realistically be expected to bring to the table would be, what you termed, a breath of fresh air. That breath may or may not revive the dying victim, but you can’t simply let it lay there and suffocate. In my estimation, any failure to act would constitute negligent homocide.
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