2022 Cardinals MLB Game 78 thread – Wednesday, June 29 vs. Marlins

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    Bottom of 9. Alcantara looking for the complete game victory.

    Edman grounds out to 2nd base.

    Nooty walks.

    Connor Capel…. hopefully he’s capelble. Connor grounds a ball up the middle and out into center field for a hit with Nooty stopping at 2nd base.

    Sosa raps into a killer of a twin killing to end this ballgame…..ouch that stung like a bee!

    Your final score:

    Miami Marlins 4
    St. Louis Cardinals 3

    #189649
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    Dang – Sosa hit it on the nose, but right at the second sacker.

    I will say it again, the old baseball axiom – You don’t trade a pitcher named Sandy.

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    I will say it again, the old baseball axiom – You don’t trade a pitcher named Sandy.

    Or “Steve” too, BicycleMike?

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    Only if he is a lefty and wears number 32, ala Koufax. Any pitcher that has something in common with Koufax, you keep.

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    Got busy couldn’t watch much. Helsleys biggest mistake was the leadoff walk. Great pitching all around for both teams. No reason to get down, a good game. It’s clear we shouldn’t have let alcantara go, pitchers that go deep are a rare breed

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    “This club really loses games you think are in the bag. That April game against the Mets, last Sunday against the Cubs, and now this one. Maybe we come back in the 9th, but if not this is another tough one to take.”

    Yup, this makes four un-loseable games that were somehow lost anyway. And it’s not even July yet. Third game lost after leading with two outs in the ninth inning (two of those with two out, two strikes), plus blowing the 5-0 lead and losing to the execrable cubs.

    Can’t blame Marmol for this one. But I still hate him. Bad managers find ways to lose.

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    Throwing 100 is not enough any more. Everybody can hit 100 if they know its coming.

    The recipe for success pitching is throwing strikes that do not catch too much plate, and either a lot of movement or changing speeds effectively to throw off the batters timing or both. That is still true if you throw 100 or if you don’t. It is what always does Fernandez in too. If his control is not good, then he walks guys, and to avoid that he catches too much plate, and they know he’s bringing heat so he gets hit around. Helsley too, but his control is better more often. But not last night.

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    Ozuna for Alcantara, Gallen and others just keeps looking worse as the seasons go by.

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    Indeed JJ. It appears destined to go down as one of the worst trades ever for St. Louis. As a result, the Cardinals will hold a special place in the hearts of the Marlins franchise and it’s fans for many years to come. Who knows, maybe the baseball Gods brought this trade to fruition as a result of Miami tragically losing Jose Fernandez in that boating accident about 5 years ago? I just wish it wasn’t at our expense. Mo can gain solace in the fact that many years down the road he will not be remembered for masterminding this awful trade. Only the team is remembered. Does anyone recall who the Cub GM was when Lou Brock came out way via trade? See.

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    No reason to blame anyone for last night’s loss. The Cards played a fine game. Helsley uncustomarily
    grooved one. It happens.

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    No reason to blame anyone for last night’s loss. The Cards played a fine game. Helsley uncustomarily
    grooved one. It happens.

    Well said.

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    Was last night the first time Helsley has pitched back to back?

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    Bob – You stated that you hate Marmol. Please share why you think that way. Thanks.

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    Was last night the first time Helsley has pitched back to back?

    They addressed this during the TV broadcast when Helsley came in. I might not remember exactly, but I think they said it was the 4th time this year.

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    No reason to blame anyone for last night’s loss. The Cards played a fine game. Helsley uncustomarily
    grooved one. It happens.

    Hard to be down on Helsley, that’s for sure. He looked good other than the one pitch. Plus, it happens all the time with umps both ways, but ball 4 to Cooper should’ve been strike 3. If the ump hadn’t squeezed him on that call, Helsley probably would not have faced Garcia.

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    I like Helsley OK but we need to be realistic. This season so far he has 6 saves and 3 blown saves. We can cherry pick stats, but that is the end result so far.

    Additionally, League average BABip in around .300, and it is said that significant variation from that indicates good or bad luck. Helsley’s BABBip against is .164. We need to consider what his results might look like when BABip against regresses toward average.

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    Was the Cub GM John Holland on the Brock/Broglio deal? Not sure, but that name comes to mind.

    Yeah, Helsley was not real sharp last night. The leadoff walk. Then Aguilar swung at some terrible pitches to bail Helsley out. The home run ball was grooved. No matter how hard you throw, pitching is all about command. “Command” means throwing the ball where you want to throw it, which encompasses more than just throwing strikes. Throwing strikes is important, but more important is throwing strikes that are not in the prime hitting zone, and changing speeds.

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