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Hey BW, thanks for that graph. It’s good to see that it’s not as bad as it seems. I feel like I tracked it for a few years maybe ’16-18 and I think the Cards were high on the list most if not all of those years. Hopefully it was just a bad luck streak and things will turn the other way.
I work with a guy who pitched in the minors. He said things started out great but in his 2nd year he couldn’t keep up with the demand and his arm worsened as the season wore on.
You can’t enter and leave a pitching rotation because your arm needs more rest than others in the rotation. You have to be able to pitch every 4th or 5th day. So durability is the biggest attribute of success other than having good stuff.
The biggest problem the MLB has seems to be an emphasis on throwing instead of pitching. You don’t need to throw 90 MLB to be effective but it takes less talent as a coach to teach throwing than it does to teach the art of pitching.
So there you go it comes down to the development again.
Youngsters have to throw well into the 90s to be taken seriously if they hope for a chance at a pro career. I think their arm is already damaged by the time they get into pro ball. And it continues from there. How many evaluations mention how positive it would be to add a few ticks to the fastball.
Anything we get out of Reyes going forward will surprise me. His returning to the IL every year is getting old.
Agreed bling and 14. Reyes started to decline after the all-star game and whether or not Shildt over used him is debatable but I don’t see how he can last a full season. He’s not getting any younger.
Alex Reyes Expected To Undergo Shoulder Surgery https://t.co/yafoWiURGZ pic.twitter.com/y7HEsrKOQC
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) May 23, 2022
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Brutal news for Alex Reyes and the #STLCards. After seeing Dr. Neal ElAttrache in Los Angeles, it's determined Reyes will need surgery to address pain in his throwing shoulder. That surgery has been scheduled for end of May and will likely (but not definitively) end his season.
— Katie Woo (@katiejwoo) May 23, 2022
There is no expectation in coming back from shoulder surgery like there is after TJ. Who knows, but wish him good luck.
So did they sign Reyes to a 1-year deal knowing he would need surgery?
2.85 Million is more than they’re paying Pujols this year.
If he comes back from that surgery it will be the first ever with that type of injury. I don’t understand why they would take that risk.
Reyes signed his $2.85M contract on March 22. We don’t know if the Cardinals knew at that time he would need surgery. The surgery was announced on May 23.
Thanks gscottar that’s terrible timing then. Mo can’t catch a break. I guess there were time constraints in the arbitration.
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If he comes back from that surgery it will be the first ever with that type of injury.
I am not sure about that. First, there are different severities. A torn labrum is worse than the frayed one Reyes has. While odds are low, some have recovered.
A story from Penn Medicine four years ago says this about labrum surgery in general:
“About half of major leaguers don’t return to form.”
Personally, I am not counting on anything from Reyes, but the worst outcome is not 100% assured.
The high likelihood is that if Reyes comes back and produces, it won’t be for St Louis. That is a real bummer as he had so much potential to be a dominant stater. I still remember how good he was late in 2016 on his callup, and thinking how we’d found our ace to replace Waino for the next decade. Turns out that Waino has a better chance to remain the ace in 2026 than Reyes does.
Regarding the timing, folks seem to be unaware of important details. No one was fooled or derelict in their duties.
Reyes was hurt over the winter, but because of the lockout, he was prohibited from talking with anyone from the team, including trainers and doctors.
When the lockout was over and the players reported to camp late, the doctors prescribed a stem cell injection to try to help healing. That would take time to work. The arbitration date came up early on and the two sides decided to settle. No one expressed concern at the time because less was known.
This should put an end of the Reyes “what if” saga in St. Louis. As in what if Reyes comes back strong from this injury or that injury. How we know what his status will be in the future.
Reyes and the Cardinals and the Cardinals’ fan base have already been through so much together. I’d say the organization should cough up the $2.5M and bring him back for one last chance. It sounds like they would be throwing good money after bad, but if the surgery works out, we either have a top tier pitcher, or Reyes finds himself at the end of his runway and the Reyes saga is over.
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