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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    38 players on the 40-man plus these…

    #154021
    stlcard25stlcard25
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    What is it, 6 days til pitchers and catchers report?? I can’t wait to see some baseball!!

    #154024
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    Interesting that Delvin Perez gets an invite. This could be his last year in the organization if he doesn’t hit better.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    #154034
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    My sleeper pick Lars in a NRI ! Light em up Nooty.

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    Noticeably missing catcher Julio Rodriguez

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    But I bet Antonini feels like he just won the lottery, low A one day, hangin with Yadi the next.

    #154039
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    Fine looking group of outfielders.

    #154045
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    As much as I would like to see a stereotypical LF/1b type thumper in the group, a grizzled veteran with pine tar in his veins, the OF thing will make for a fun to follow spring and early season story line.

    I take a light hearted approach to posting here amongst some serious and knowledgeable folks, but I did put some research and thought into my choice of Nootbar as my sleeper pick. Research in the form of looking up TCN draft day article (Scott Schook and BW) from 2018 when he was an 8th rounder. An analytics driven pick (my favorite) where a combination of very good plate discipline and power potential got the computer’s attention. I do object to the “left handed Luke Voit” reference as plate discipline is not a Voit characteristic.

    But there you go, a potential LF/1b thumper sleeper. And here he is an out of left field NRI. Just what doctor bling ordered. They could have done better than 91 with the uni number.

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    Excellent reasoning, bling. I agree that Nootbar could be a sleeper. I also think that Justin Toerner is going to turn heads at some point. He plays hard and though he doesn’t but for a huge average, he looks to have a good eye at the plate (.387 OBP in his minors career). Perhaps a Matt Carpenter starter kit.

    #154071
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    My sleeper pick for the outfield is Capel. I think he still has another gear if he can put it all together. I could easily see him as a fourth OF at some point similar to Justin Williams.

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    Actually, Nootbaar’s #91 may be either prescient or sly. Long time TCN and TCNB participants know who once wore #19 briefly one spring when he was an unknown outfielder standing in from the left side. 19-91, get it? Brian, take good notes to save research time for the future article.

    #154087
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    Matt ranked this 23/24 year old group like this:

    Capel #41 (5th rd.’16 CLE)
    Toerner #42 (28th rd.’18)
    Nootbar #47 (8th rd.’18)

    The Community saw it this way:
    Toerner #32
    Nootbaar #50
    Capel #55

    If I had to rank them:
    Nootbaar
    Toerner
    Capel

    I believe that they would have to improve greatly in the next two seasons to be considered MLB material.
    There may be a sleeper here and the comments above seem to feel that way. Maybe two?

    #154091
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    I’m confused. Per TCN –

    Toerner – #40 Prospect
    Capel – #48 prospect
    Nootbaar – not ranked
    Hurst – not ranked

    Where are Torres and Fletcher? Too young?

    Boy are we weak and shallow as far as OF prospects. Positions which represent 3 out of 8 (37.5%) of our positions on the field.

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    Maybe we have little depth in the minors but our OF as it stands is 22, 25, 26 with backups of 25 and 25. They have 6, 4, 3, 5 and 6 years of control left, respectively. So it’s not like they are an old group that needs to be replaced soon.

    #154095
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    No, but I can’t conceive of a 5’10” 175 lbs. guy who turns 25 next month (and hasn’t played above the AA level) taking a space this Spring after slashing the following in 2019 (aggregate between the 2 levels) –

    .217/.287/.299/.586

    Are we that hard up in the OF?

    #154099
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    Apparently, yes. Outfield has not been a priority in drafts of late. Luckily they should be able to make it by with the group they have, or perhaps be able to sign a free agent or make a trade after this coming year.

    #154158
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    bccran asked:

    Where are Torres and Fletcher? Too young?

    At home. Too inexperienced rather than due to age.

    Players who finished the prior season at Johnson City are not the kind invited to big league camp, now or in prior years. That is what instructional camp and minor league STEP Camp are for (when they have them).

    #154164
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    Guess the need catchers, so they make exceptions for short season only guys like Pages and Soto.

    And factor in college experience for highly ranked college guys like Thompson, who has only 2 innings pitched in the GCL and 13.1 innings pitched at high A. Total of only 15.1 professional innings pitched.

    #154166
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    Don’t forget. This is spring training for Memphis too as they are slated to start on time.

    #154172
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    Are we certain that Memphis (and there opponents) are going to be able to start on time?

    #154173
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    As far as experience, what about Aaron Antonini? Looks like he only has 25 games of professional experience. All at Johnson City.

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    stlcard25stlcard25
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    Why would you invite Torres and Fletcher if they have 0 chance to make the big league roster? At least with the catchers, you understand the need because pitchers need someone to throw to. Let the young guys show up after St Louis and Memphis start and see where they are at.

    #154178
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    bccran asked:

    As far as experience, what about Aaron Antonini? Looks like he only has 25 games of professional experience. All at Johnson City.

    bccran, given you are someone who has followed baseball for decades, I am amazed you don’t know how spring training invites work. Young catchers ALWAYS get invited because they need warm bodies with mitts. Some will get cut quickly. On the other hand, short-season pitchers, infielders and outfielders are NEVER invited.

    You are trying to make something out of nothing but business as usual behavior. I would have been stunned had either of the players you cited been invited.

    #154180
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    bccran asked:

    Are we certain that Memphis (and there opponents) are going to be able to start on time?

    How would you suggest running spring camp instead? Keeping the Triple-A players away until the last minute? Then how would they get ready? Should the Cardinals decide ahead of camp which 26 players will make the Opening Day roster and just keep everyone else at home? It’s not like they don’t know how to run an alternate camp if it gets to that.

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