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May 23, 2018 at 3:51 pm #53808
3:05 pm Pittsburgh Pirates RHP Jack Flaherty (1-1, 2.31) vs. RHP Trevor Williams (5-2, 3.05) FOX Sports Midwest/KMOX
May 26, 2018 at 12:16 pm #53994NJ315
ParticipantKelly and Lyons activated. Baron to Triple A…..and Holland to DL (right hip impingement)
May 26, 2018 at 12:24 pm #53995NJ315
ParticipantCarpenter 5
Martinez 3
Pham 8
Ozuna 7
Gyorko 4
Fowler 9
Pena 2
Munoz 6
Flaherty 1May 26, 2018 at 12:30 pm #53997I would like to see O’Neill get to play everyday. I think Dexter has been given enough opportunities. He should be relegated to extra OF and pinch hitter at this point.
Does he really have Carp at 3B and Gyorko at 2B? That is weird. Jedd is the best defensive 3B on the team and Carp has less arm strength than David Eckstein.
May 26, 2018 at 12:40 pm #54000NJ315
ParticipantThat’s the way it is right now at MLB At Bat. It could be wrong. They have been wrong before.
May 26, 2018 at 12:42 pm #54001Ha, so it’s safe to watch the 8th inning now? Cards need to rebound today to get some different attitudes in play.
May 26, 2018 at 12:43 pm #54002The Post Dispatch is reporting the same lineup. That is a real head scratcher from MM.
May 26, 2018 at 12:46 pm #54003gscottar, Fowler is not leading off, so take some solace in that.
May 26, 2018 at 1:27 pm #54005Maybe the players need to imagine the Pirates are wearing Reds uniforms?
May 26, 2018 at 1:58 pm #54008Or cubbies uni now too, Cardinals27. No way we lose today’s game, as I know the entire lineup except for maybe Munoz, has heard of Trevor Williams. If I’m Pittsburgh, I plan some tomfoolery so to get a distinct advantage today over our boys. Maybe slap a fake beard on Williams….have him talk in a southern drawl…have their PA announcer refer to him as Travis instead of Trevor….have him take about 10 mph off his fastball….that could screw our hitters all up.
May 26, 2018 at 2:10 pm #54010Consider it this way. Gyorko is better defensively than Carpenter at both second base and third, but he can’t play both at the same time. So wherever the gap is least, that is the way you go. Personally, I really do not like Carpenter at second, so this is my lesser of evils.
May 26, 2018 at 2:17 pm #54011NJ315
ParticipantI agree say no to Carp at second
May 26, 2018 at 2:38 pm #54013So wherever the gap is least, that is the way you go.
The “least gap” is one aspect of it, but it’s a more complex weighted average and statistical distribution issue than that. I wonder if they’re taking into account other aspects such as how many plays are expected at 2B versus 3B, based on Pirates’ hitting tendencies. Being able to switch two defenders like Carp/Jedd brings up a really advanced analytics possibility. That would be to have Carp/Jedd switch positions throughout the game based on which batter is up and the batter’s tendencies to hit left side versus right side. It sounds far-fetched, but much of what is done today with analytics would’ve sounded far-fetched 20 years ago.
May 26, 2018 at 3:04 pm #54018As TLR often said, “They are men, not machines.”
May 26, 2018 at 3:07 pm #54019Watching Carp make throws from 3B is like nails on the chalkboard to me. It is gut wrenching. Jedd way better than average at 3B, borderline gold glove material.
May 26, 2018 at 3:09 pm #54020That is true, but if you take that to the extreme, then you are discounting that there has already been a lot of reshaping men’s minds and attitudes toward how they are used in roles today versus years ago because of evolutionary analytics….which brings to mind another saying…evolve or be extinct.
May 26, 2018 at 3:26 pm #54021Why the hell is Fowler on the field.O`Neill/Bader should be playing.Fowler EL STINKO SUPREMO.
May 26, 2018 at 3:32 pm #54022Top of first recap…Carp home run, JMart double, JMart base running error, Ozune easy double play. And why exactly is Ozuna batting cleanup with a .643 OPS?
May 26, 2018 at 3:57 pm #54024Martinez drives in Munoz for a 2-1 lead in the 3rd, but then is thrown out again due to poor base running trying to take 2nd on the throw home.
May 26, 2018 at 3:59 pm #54025“Watching Carp make throws from 3B is like nails on the chalkboard to me. It is gut wrenching. Jedd way better than average at 3B, borderline gold glove material.”
We agree on many things and this is another. Jedd every day at 3B. Jedd is to good at 3B to put him elsewhere. And if you like algebra, Jedd 3B + Carpenter 2B > Jedd 2B + Carpenter 3B
May 26, 2018 at 4:04 pm #54026Anyone have any metrics to help support or refute Cards667’s algebra?
May 26, 2018 at 4:09 pm #54027I don’t have metrics on it, but it sure seems the defensive skill gap is much larger at 3B than 2B.
May 26, 2018 at 4:14 pm #54029So you said, but metrics can be helpful when there is a difference of opinion. Granted, defensive metrics are imperfect, but they are better than debating whose eye test is more accurate.
May 26, 2018 at 4:19 pm #54030Fowler leaves the game in favor of Bader after being hit by a pitch on the outside of his right kneecap.
May 26, 2018 at 4:30 pm #54031Based on their career UZR/150 numbers (Fan Graphs), here goes.
Carp: 2B = -6.5 3B = -3.6
Jedd: 2B = -0.5 3B = 4.0Jedd 2B + Carp 3B = -4.1
Carp 2B + Jedd 3B = -2.5So this says play Jedd at 3B.
Also, based on the “gap” discussion above, the gap at 2B is 6 and at 3B it is 7.6.
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