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September 17, 2017 at 4:20 pm #33276
NJ315
ParticipantHe doesn’t hit lefties as well as righties. Oh well.
September 17, 2017 at 4:26 pm #33277I hope DeWitt finally see the light and realizes he’s going to have to maintain a payroll North of $175 million just to make up for the guy running the team in the dugout. Even then….
September 17, 2017 at 4:28 pm #33281NJ315
Participant4-3 Cubs after 7
September 17, 2017 at 4:31 pm #33282Another killer of a DP hit into by Molina back in the 4th. HOW MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS HAS HE KILLED RALLIES BY HITTING INTO DOUBLEPLAYS?????
He is so valuable though…….
September 17, 2017 at 4:35 pm #33284NJ315
ParticipantAnother DP from Molina. Rats is not going to be happy!
September 17, 2017 at 4:40 pm #33285NJ315
ParticipantMaddon leaves the lefty against Grichuk not smart
September 17, 2017 at 4:40 pm #33286NJ315
ParticipantWong not smart but gets away with it.
September 17, 2017 at 4:41 pm #33287NJ315
ParticipantIt is up to Carp
September 17, 2017 at 4:44 pm #33288NJ315
ParticipantHe k’s
September 17, 2017 at 4:46 pm #33289Very frustrating. Wonder what the Redbirds are batting with RISP in this series?
September 17, 2017 at 5:09 pm #332904-3 Cubs the final.
That’s the season folks.
Time to start focusing on 2018.
September 17, 2017 at 5:10 pm #33291NJ315
ParticipantDexter almost did it again. But not to be. 4-3 Cubs win.
September 17, 2017 at 5:10 pm #33292Well unless Mo and others do something VERY different I’m afraid that 2018 will just be a copy of this season…
September 17, 2017 at 5:18 pm #33295From the understatement department: Six games back in the division is a lot to make up with just 13 to go.
The Cubs’ magic number is 10.
September 17, 2017 at 5:40 pm #33299NJ315
ParticipantThey need to go 9-4 to finish with the same record as last year. They may but I don’t think so.
September 17, 2017 at 5:48 pm #33300The Cards are now 28-35 in the division. All remaining games are against division foes and St. Louis has losing records against three of the four.
3 vs. Cin (7-9 record to date)
3 vs. Pit (10-6)
4 vs. Chi (4-11)
3 vs. Mil (7-9)September 17, 2017 at 5:52 pm #33301Maybe Molina should be a player Manager like Pete Rose. Rats would like that! I’d be up for anything to get Matheny out of here.
September 17, 2017 at 6:13 pm #33302Brian, your last list says it all … It is pretty hard to win the Division if you cannot beat your Divisional opponents. The Cards would have roughly five more wins if we just played .500 against the Brewers, Reds and Cubs. It is hard to believe the Redbirds only won one game in Wrigley this season.
September 17, 2017 at 9:00 pm #33307So many reasons as to why one win at Wrigley. They might of been able to steal 1-2 of those had they gotten a MOTO bad in the middle of the lineup.
It is what it is at this point. They steal one of these and you sit 4 games back not 6. You basically need to go on an undefeated run to have a chance.
September 18, 2017 at 7:54 am #33320Well it was a fun run but could not overcome the Matheny effect.
September 18, 2017 at 8:08 am #33327Most likely the season is done. Still we do have those 4 remaining head-to-head games against Chicago, so while we need some help, that is the one thing that gives us a faint hope. If it was a case of us and the Cubs being done playing each other, then it would be especially hard to overcome a 6 game deficit in 13. But since we still have those 4, we do have some control over our destiny.
Now if we continue to tank this week and go into that series still six or more back, it won’t mean a lot. We really need to keep it no worse than six, and preferably more like 4 back to even think there is hope. And even at that, you almost need to sweep the four to get into the thick of it, which is unlikely, but not unprecedented.
What we really need is the Cubs to be the second coming of the ’64 Phillies and lose their next 10, while we win about 8 in a row.
September 18, 2017 at 8:21 am #33330We also seem to be overlooking the Brewers, who are now two games ahead of the third-place Cards. They certainly look to have plenty of motivation. That final series could set a wild card, if the Brewers can make up 2.5 games to COL.
The Cubs and Brewers have four head-to-head games remaining. Even if the Cubs are swept all four on the road, then the two of them could be tied for the lead (four games different now).
It is going to be very, very hard for the Cards to close the gap after this past weekend. Specifically, Baseball Prospectus has the Cards’ current odds of making the playoffs at 4.2 percent. Brewers are at 17.5 and Cubs at 92.9.
P.S. The Cards would have to go 9-4 just to reach last season’s 86 wins. To make 90, they would have to sweep their final four series. So it looks like the decline in team fortunes will continue another year.
September 18, 2017 at 10:13 am #33349Good point about Milwaukee, Brian. St. Louis not only has the Cubs to overcome, but the Brewers as well. Those 4.2% odds are probably about right.
Management will have it’s work cut out this off-season. Hopefully they move their thinking more over to the “winning” side of the spectrum, if you think of “cost control” on one end and “winning” on the other. To do that, they need to sign Lance Lynn, and explore opportunities to bring in an impact bat without gutting the farm.
You then set your club up with potentially a deep pitching staff, so that even if a deal cannot be struck for a bat before 2018, the opportunity to make a deal next year remains strong if the pitching depth is good. Plus the club’s strength would presumably be pitching, which almost guarantees at least a shot at success.
September 18, 2017 at 10:14 am #33351man…very demoralizing… had very good chances in at least 2 of those 3 games… hitting just disappeared…
season isnt over…will take some help…but it’s baseball and the rest of these games still matter
GO Cards!
September 18, 2017 at 10:49 am #33358I do not blame this series on Matheny. He went to a gunfight with a bunch of butter knives. The front office has some work to do this off season and we all know it.
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