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Donovan 2B
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado 3B
Contreras C
O’Neill LF
Gorman/Yepez/Burleson DH
Carlson CF
Nootbaar RF
Edman SSLook about right?
No, no, Dear Lord in Heaven no.
Edman
Donovan
Goldschmidt
Arenado
Contreras
O’Neill
Gorman/Yepez
Carlson
NootbaarThe only flaw in this lineup is that it is too right handed heavy. If Gorman could round into the form that some think he will that would help things.
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I would move Contreras to 2nd batter and move Goldy and Arenado down a spot. One of the Gorman/Burleson/Yepez combo could possibly move to the 5th spot by mid-season.
It should probably be
Donovan
Contreras
Golschmidt
Arenado
Nootbaar
O’Neil
Gorman
Carlson
EdmanTrade Yepez for a reliever.
Donovan should lead off with whoever is hot Nootbaar-Gorman-Carlson-Edman batting second then GACO. You can throw Yepez-Burleson in the mix also. Hey with Contreras the lineup looks better already.
Nootbar and Donovan were extremely productive at the top of the lineup in 2022. Why mess with success?
Starting line-up for the first round of the ’23 post-season unless Marmol thinks it’s smart to swap Donovan and Arenado…Haha!
Edman SS
Donovan 2B
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado 3B
ONeill LF
Gorman/Yepez DH
Contreras C
Carlson CF
Nootbar RFIt would be interesting to find out what was the record of team when Nootbar, Donovan, Carlson or Edman lead off in 22.
I tried to look that up a couple of times, but got lazy and a bit frustrated and canned the idea. I have no problem with swapping Nootz and Eddie at lead-off and 9th, but yeah, it would be interesting to see the team’s ’22 W/L record with that collection of guys slotted at lead-off. My shot in the dark guess is that it would show that Edman is the best choice to lead-off a game.
2022 Win-Loss record based on the 4 mentioned players leading off:
Carlson – 22-7 .759
Nootbaar – 12-8 .600
Edman – 47-39 .547
Donovan – 11-14 .440I guess the next question that should be asked. Is winning games more important or is individual stats more important when putting a line up together? Like someone said above don’t mess with success?
2022 Win-Loss record by batting order:
Carlson, O’Neill, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 7-2
Carlson, Goldschmidt, O’Neill, Arenado – 7-4
Carlson, Edman, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 3-0
Carlson, Gorman, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 3-1
Carlson, Donovan, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 2-0Nootbaar, Donovan, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 11-3
Nootbaar, Donovan, Goldschmidt, Dickerson – 1-1
Nootbaar, O’Neill, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 0-1
Nootbaar, Donovan, Arenado, Gorman – 0-1
Nootbaar, Edman, Arenado, Dickerson – 0-1
Nootbaar, Gorman, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 0-1Edman, Carlson, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 6-5
Edman, Donovan, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 5-9
Edman, Goldschmidt, Arenado, O’Neill – 2-1
Edman, Goldschmidt, O’Neill, Arenado – 3-5
Edman, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Pujols – 5-4
Edman, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Yepez – 3-5
Edman, Gorman, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 9-3
Edman, XXXXXX, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 4-2Donovan, Edman, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 2-5
Donovan, Nootbaar, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 3-1
Donovan, Yepez, Goldschmidt, Arenado – 1-2This covers most of the first 4 batting orders. Most of the rest involved Dickerson, Pujols, Bader and/or Burleson mixed up within the first 4 spots.
I would be happy with Nootbaar and Donovan leading off. That did seem to be the best leadoff combination last year, and Forsch’s research seems to back that up.
Carlson started 11 of the first 12 games of the season. Then he was reinstated as the leadoff hitter in late July through most of 2/3s of August. Nootbaar didn’t lead off until August 11 for the first time in 2022.
VS RHP
Nootbaar (L) RF
Donovan (L) 2B
Goldy (R) 1B
Carlson (L) CF
Arenado (R) 3B
Burleson (L) LF
Contreras (R) C
Gorman (L) DH
Edman (L) SSAll that info came from Baseball Reference. Under the 2022 Cardinals main page, you have to select the “Other” drop down and select “Batting Orders”. Then you can sort by clicking on the heading “1st”. There are additional ways of getting down to a data set and then just counting.
Of course, I am sure there is probably a site that already has the data sorted.
Still way short of enough offense. You can’t rely on kids, they will fail every time. Go get stars…more stars. If they stop now the season is over before it starts. Now, for me the season means winning the WS. If the Cardinals are content to win the division and lose in the first round and that is what this lineup will do then they don’t need Contreras. They need more, more, more. Don’t stop Junior..give the Cardinals a real chance to win the WS.
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