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Robertson might be ok in middle relief. The bar is not too high there. He’s only got 22 IP in the bigs, so his AAA results are relevant and he did prety well there, with a lot of swing and miss.
The minor league guy will go into our upper system. The bar is not too high there either. So it is very possible Mo got two useful pieces for O’Neill on top of unloading the arb3 salary.
Yeah. I don’t really worry about Robertson’s first taste of MLB. A lot of pitchers struggle when they first make the jump.
I would like some proven relievers, however.
I would look at it as they have an additional 5.5 mill to spend….hopefully they will spend it….O’Neill has had 2 years to capture 2021 and hasn’t done it b/c on injury and a lack of contact, I doubt much would have changed for him in St.Louis, so Boston may be a good change of scenery for him
It clears up the outfield picture considerably and opens the door a little bit for Scott.
I think it means they are all in on Carlson. O’Neil being traded should not come as a surprise to anyone.
The real job is still sitting in front of Mo. Get another good starting pitcher and fix the bullpen.
A lot of grass left to mow this winter…
Everyone’s favorite whipping boy is gone.So who will be the target from the peanut gallery this season.Gorman?Gray?…Goldy?…..of course the Sainted Walker will get a free pass if he has a sophomore slump .
Winn should just be told play defense and the offense will come along.I suspect some will blame Contreras and say Herrera should start.Patience with any players us in short supply in some quarters.
I don’t remember how long the “it’s early/it’s a marathon” crowd prattled on last year. Its pretty ingrained though, so we can expect the same no matter how the team comes off the line.
As to Winn, I don’t think posting positive WAR is an unreasonable expectation for minimum acceptable performance. That would still stink for a tout, but I believe in patience. Walker played at approximately replacement value, so 1-2 WAR doesn’t seem too much to demand. That, too, would be a modest expectation, considering folks were talking RoY a year ago.
Positive WAR seems a very reasonable expectation.
The rub is over what period? Over the 2024 season? OK, but that means they were given the opportunity to play long enough to have a chance.
Problem is that if they don’t produce in the first 10 minutes or so, the complaining will increase exponentially from those who have already decided they are overrated and overmatched. They will jump at the first chance to point out they are right.
Everyone’s favorite whipping boy is gone.So who will be the target from the peanut gallery this season.Gorman?Gray?…Goldy?…..of course the Sainted Walker will get a free pass if he has a sophomore slump .
I would say on this board the whipping boy has been Marmol. By a large margin.
I am not impressed by the return we got for O’Neill. We could have just non-tendered him but maybe these two guys will provide some bullpen depth.
We still need to get Dylan Cease and two quality relievers for this to be a successful offseason.
GC…I agree we won’t get Cease but if we are done with the rotation we really need to beef up the bullpen with quality instead of dumpster dives.
I would say on this board the whipping boy has been Marmol. By a large margin.
The demand for whipping boys goes way up after 71-91. One isn’t nearly enough. Of course, the favorite is in the eye of the beholder. The remedy is a good April.
Problem is that if they don’t produce in the first 10 minutes or so, the complaining will increase exponentially from those who . . . .
. . . from those who understand that a loss in April counts the same as any other loss.
No question that the manager of any team has always been the first in line to occupy the hot seat after a 71-91 last place finish, but this one gets special treatment due to his inate talent for bizarre behavior and the seemingly inate ability to consistently say things to the local media that without a doubt are comments that could be termed lunacy. This guy goes way beyong making foolish in game decisions. He’s way out there in countless different areas. Besides all this, I simply don’t like the guy and I personally think his integrity meter is at or near zero.
You never know with this bunch, but I’d have to guess that if this team stumbles out the gate that a managerial change will be effected before the enough games are thrown into the fire that the season has no hope of being salvaged. Last season was over and done with after the first 60 games. I’d have to expect a new pair of feet on the top dugout step if this team isn’t at least at or a bit above .500 by the 30 to 40 game juncture. It’s the only hope.
I looked up Ozzie Smith’s rookie year and he had 3.1 bWAR, mostly due to defense. Ozzie was 23 and Masyn will be a year younger than that in 2024.
So he is being given a lot of responsibility for someone that young – starting shortstop on a club expected to win, “or else!”. It seems a little odd that management has handed down this “win or else” edict for next year and are bringing in veteran pitchers and going with the vets at catcher, first and third. I would think you would install Edman as next year’s shortstop, with the plan being to have Winn take over in ’25. Go with Carlson in center, with possibly Scott taking over in ’25.
At any rate, I think Winn will end up on the positive side on defense next year, if he lasts the year out in the big leagues. His offense will probably take a few years to get untracked. But it won’t surprise me to see a few 5 and 6 WARs from him once he hits the mid-to-late 20s in age.
Didnt Templeton leaving pave the way for Ozzie?
I remember Templeton flipping off the fans at Busch one day and Herzog grabbing him and dragging him into the dugout.
I also remember when he said’ “If I ain’t startin’; I ain’t departin'” in reference to the ’79 All-Star game??
Positive WAR seems a very reasonable expectation.
The rub is over what period? Over the 2024 season? OK, but that means they were given the opportunity to play long enough to have a chance.
Or it means waiting to call a player up until they have developed a little more.
WAR starts at zero.
Well it’s good they finally got the deal done since Mo basically said this was what they were going to do. Finally got rid of all our gold glovers in the outfield. I expect to see fewer great catches this season which means a lot when you consider the pitching we got outside of gray. He was injured a lot anyway so prob for best for both parties. Though we got two pitchers for him, together they probably don’t add up to him. If we have another losing season, I wonder if blame will finally make it where it belongs. I doubt it though.
That game where Templeton grabbed his crotch and screamed at a fan occurred on a Sunday which also happened to be Ladies Day at the ballpark. In those days such a gesture was considered highly offensive to ladies everywhere. Jack Buck was so aghast that he had a difficult time finding words to describe what happened. Following the incident Templeton was supposedly admitted to some kind of mental rehab facility which I thought was just a way to distract and keep Templeton from getting expelled from MLB.
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