The 2019 Season Boils Down To This

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    The four game series at Wrigley Field Sept 19-22.

    Period.

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    Typical RatsBuddy authored thread. One moment he has you in stitches….then at the drop of a hat he has you fighting mad…..then the next moment you’re dabbing the tears away …..then before you know what hit you, you’re jumping out of your chair giving high fives to anyone within range. Bravo Esteemed Rat….bravo!

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    I’ve been saying for a month, if they have a 2 game lead going into that series, they can win the division, if not, I’m much less than hopeful.

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    Geez… where’s all the faith in this team? My team is more than just in it… they are in first-place going into Sept. I’d like to know what happened to all the die-hard believers. Let’s hear some optimism from the Cards fans.

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    Geez… where’s all the faith in this team? My team is more than just in it… they are in first-place going into Sept. I’d like to know what happened to all the die-hard believers. Let’s hear some optimism from the Cards fans.

    Seeing the Cubbies beat the stuffing out of us the last four years and our team repeatedly fall flat in September has tempered some of that optimism. I think we are all very cautiously optimistic, with an emphasis on cautious.

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    Head to head record Cards vs. Cubs:
    2018: 10-9
    2019 to date: 5-7
    Combined: 15-16

    How is basically even the last two years being “stuffed”?

    It was long time ago and a lot of personnel have changed on both sides since the Cubs were the 2016 World Champions.

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    Brian we have been over this many many many times. I am not talking about just head to head.

    2015- Cubs advance further
    2016- Cubs advance further
    2017- Cubs advance further
    2018- Cubs advance further
    2019- TBD

    That is why a good portion of our fans are cautious.

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    I agree the Cubs advanced further, but that was not what you said before. I disagree that “the Cubs have been beating the stuffing out of the Cardinals”, because they haven’t in the last two seasons. As I have suggested in the past, I believe you give the Cubs way too much credit today for results from multiple years ago.

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    The most concerning thing is we are 0-6 at Wrigley this year and 5-19 in our last 24 games there. There is no way to sugar coat that. That 4 game series there in a couple of weeks looms large. The final 3 at Busch may be too late if we get punked at Wrigley again.

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    Fortunately, games at both venues count equally in the standings.

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    Fortunately, games at both venues count equally in the standings.

    Well I didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification.

    I am just hoping we don’t have to win all three at Busch to win the division. Maybe we will shock the world and bully the Cubs around at Wrigley.

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    Current MLB playoff odds (updated real time and taking into account future match-ups and even game locations!):

    538
    Cards 89%
    Cubs 75%
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-mlb-predictions/

    Fangraphs
    Cards 86.1%
    Cubs 82.2%
    https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds

    Chances are better than not that one team takes the division and the other is the wild card, with the Cardinals currently holding the upper hand.

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    In all seriousness Brian and back to Ny’s question, why do you think a portion of our posters are cautious or wary about our chances? I am curious about your take on that.

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    I’m taking Gscottar’s side on this one, that four game series up here (in Chi), is scary to say the least. I would guess the Cards can win one which might be overly optomisitc…. The Cubs are way more talented overall than the Cardinals 1-8, and if they turn it on at Wrigley, season over or 1 game playoff, with no ace facing Mad Max at home.

    This 8 game homestead in 6 days against subpar teams is essential in gaining a lead, 1-0 now, but it needs to end up being 8-0 or 6-2 at the least.

    #GCOLETOCARDINALSIN2020 – I don’t twit, but that should be a hashtag thing – Pugs, help me out on this, after the Turkey!

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    I think the Cubs’ .662 success at home this season has some assuming it is more than an anomaly, like it has future predictive power. The Cardinals are currently .640 at home, but no one talks about that. In 2015, the Cards were even better at home at .679 than the Cubs are this year. How much did it matter in October?

    For those who are logical about it, I sense the general trepidation is less about the Cubs (who are on a multiple-year downward slide of their own – currently with their worst winning percentage since 2014) and more about the Cardinals.

    After three bad seasons, many aren’t going to get their hopes up about the Cardinals until the team actually does it. Assume the worst and hope for the best. The glasses stay at least half empty until full again.

    P.S. I readily agree the seven remaining head-to-head games will be huge. I just don’t have negative feelings about it. Looking forward to it, actually.

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    I might be a bit biased in regards to the cards on the road…. I’ve been to 6 Cards games at Wrigley this year and 4 at Miller Park, and they have won a total of 1. I probably should just go to Mexico or Canada for that series…. Maybe the Congo in Africa might be the best bet?

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    That’s just plain bad luck (1-10), CardsFanInChiTown. You were 0-9 before Monday night’s game, which really must have had you spinning. I’m not really a believer in black cats traversing under ladders, not stepping on lines and stuff like the #13 being unlucky…..but maybe it’s best that you don’t visit Wrigley during our upcoming critical series in the friendly confines.

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    The most concerning thing is we are 0-6 at Wrigley this year and 5-19 in our last 24 games there. There is no way to sugar coat that. That 4 game series there in a couple of weeks looms large. The final 3 at Busch may be too late if we get punked at Wrigley again.

    One thing I’d say to that is that while the Cubs may be slightly better than the Cards overall (maybe, as the Cards have a much better bullpen and are better defensively, with the rotations about a wash and the Cubs the better lineup), the Cards are about due. It’s tough to win every game over a relative equal even if they are at home. I’d have to see the matchups before predicting much in those series.

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    Edman, Flaherty and Hudson have propelled this club into the same “league” as the cubbies. Bryant and Schwarber appeared to be frightening monsters to cub opponents as they entered this league, but have failed to live up. Both viable MLers, but not super stars. Their starting pitching is aging and uninspiring, with their bullpen in worse shape. And the great thing for Cardinal fans…….what young players do the cubs have coming down the pike that strike fear in you? This appears to be the perfect time for two things to occur…. the Cards to overtake the cubs and for Joe & Theo to skip town.

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    The Cubs would be 6 or 7 games out right now if it wasn’t for the deadline steal of Nick Castellanos. He has been unbelievable, kind of like when we got Cesar Cedeno for the stretch run in 1985. For those too young to remember google it. I think he hit over .400 for us.

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    For a bit more modern example…Will Clark in 2000. Sometimes the deadline moves really pay off.

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    We better make hay against the Pirates this weekend, then at the Rockies, and then Milwaukee at home.

    The thought of these four games is just about to give me that gut-wrenching feeling in my stomach. Oh what joy it would be to take Game One.

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    Most likely a split at Wrigley would give us the division, winning one would still give us a chance, but getting swept and we are headed to DC for the wild card game. Surely we can win one game there.

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    Against Sherzer or Strasburg? Hmmmmm.

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    well with the cardinals tough schedule remaining, im being cautious. yea they have been great for the most of the second half, we have to play to the end. im pretty sure about the pitching, just not sure how we are gonna do against better pitchers. funny thing is brewers helped us but at same time kept themselves in it. if they get hot and we and the cubs just go five hundred with each other, they could sneak in there. we do play them next weekend so that will give us a chance to hurt them but they have same chance.

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