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Are these two probably done as Cardinals?
Funny game, baseball – Cards had a much better record with them than without but both were clearly really struggling at the plate.
Interesting. Why could that possibly be? Coincidence I would say. Plus Walker was carry the team on his back hot for awhile.
Gorman is probably done with the organization because he is on an arbitration salary that will only continue to escalate.
Scott doesn’t reach arbitration until 2028 so I think he stays.
Would Gorman’s salary go up for sure? Is it possible that an arbiter might decrease his pay based on performance?
Scott is the only CF we have who provides good enough D for a competitive team. Obviously we don’t need that right now, but we hopefully will within his window of control. If we don’t find one who hits better, it will need to be him.
I get your point, but Michael Siani all-glove, no-hit CF types are readily available on the waiver wire.
True. Scott is cheap, optionable and conrollable. For now. Even if he gets better at hitting he will still probably be terrible.
Being a lover of good up the middle defense, I am worried about the future of the CF position. Scott can’t hit, and it doesn’t appear Church is much better.
Fermin should not play CF. Nootbaar will be traded and gone and is only a stopgap anyway. CF is not the best position for Joshua Baez in my opinion.
Unless something changes in the near future, we don’t have an elite CF defender like we have had in the past.
One that can passably hit, anyway.
Marilyn, I agree it is a center field is a position of need. But I think Church will figure things out. Unless we acquire a cf or cf prospect I think Baez will be adequate for the time being. Cho may be next in line if he keeps hitting. There is a need for a right handed player who can play center either by the trade deadline or in the offseason.
Would Gorman’s salary go up for sure? Is it possible that an arbiter might decrease his pay based on performance?
No they would not decrease it.
That’s an interesting point. I’d like to know how many pre arb players get their salary repeated after poor results. If the owners want to save money, perhaps this a route. I’m sure the players association wouldn’t want this. But the association doesn’t seem to cater as much to rookies. If you compound the base of salaries the owners would save millions.
I did a google search for “What percentage of MLB players have had their salaries decreased in arbitration?”
The result was:
An exact percentage of MLB players who have had their salaries decreased in arbitration is not tracked, but the occurrence is vanishingly rare—representing a fraction of one percent of all arbitration cases. While MLB rules permit a maximum salary cut of up to 20% in arbitration, panels almost always award a raise or a flat rate over the previous year.
Back in the day when management had all the power guys would sometimes get a cut if they did not have as good of a year as their prior season’s production. But these days the standard has changed to where a bad season means you do not get a raise, or maybe a small raise, if your compensation is not contractually stipulated.
The numbers can be misleading because guys on the cost-performance bubble are often non-tendered (essentially released). These situations aren’t taken into account in the arbitration numbers because they never get that far.
In those cases, the team decides ahead of time that what the player is likely to make via arbitration is a poor value. So the case never gets to a hearing and the player almost certainly will have to accept less (sometimes on a minor league contract) to go somewhere else. For example, last November, the Cards non-tendered John King and Yohel Pozo, among others.
Non-tenders don’t always happen to Gorman-type arb-eligible players. The Cards did it to Kolten Wong when he got too expensive.
Yes Gorman could be non-tendered but the end result would probably be the same, which is he would end up with a different organization.
Both Gorman and Scott might welcome playing in a different organization. For that matter…. Liberatore also.
The Cardinals don’t have a financial incentive to give up on Victor Scott. Why not see if he can turn things around while he is making the leage minimum? There is a direct correlation in the level of patience with the level of salary.
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