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March 27, 2025 at 6:09 pm #278134
KeepComingBackParticipantI agree JJ. Waiting around for the 3 run bomb bores me. I take naps.
March 27, 2025 at 6:24 pm #278141
jj-cf-stlParticipantI like two walks between two singles! Those WALKS rarely result in a DP.
March 27, 2025 at 6:28 pm #278142
KeepComingBackParticipantThe old 3 outcome approach just isn’t fun to watch.
March 27, 2025 at 9:32 pm #278174OBP = Others Better Plate (me).
I’m not sure you understand…a team only has 27 outs. If someone reaches base, they are not making one of those 27.
Example: Joe Morgan only had a .271 BA. However, he was so valuable because he didn’t make outs like other players. His .392 OBP led to him scoring 1650 runs despite a relatively low BA for a first ballot HOF player.
March 27, 2025 at 9:46 pm #278178HOF’er “Little Joe” Morgan was undoubtedly a great offensive catalyst for several teams during his 22 year career, but I was always surprised to note that he was a player who really struggled during the post-season. In 50 post-season games he went 33 for 181 for a paltry BA of .182 and an OBP of .323. As a lead-off guy in the post-season, he was no Rickey or Lou.
March 28, 2025 at 12:42 pm #278197
jj-cf-stlParticipantRe: #278174
The bottom two paragraphs aren’t mine. Just the first sentence. Someone tagged on me? Reply? Something.March 28, 2025 at 1:58 pm #278198Joe Morgan was a great on-base guy, with some pop as well. Sparky never had him lead off though – he usually had Pete Rose lead off with Morgan at 3 I believe.
Before Joe was in Cincy Sparky had Rose and Bobby Tolan at 1 and 2. I always thought back then that he should reverse those two, but hey, Sparky is in the Hall and I am posting on an internet forum. 😀
March 28, 2025 at 2:11 pm #278199Thinking of OBP, think I have a new stat that might be one of the best ways to determine a player’s offensive value. Here is the calc:
OBP + (runs scored + RBI – HR)/PA
You are combining getting on base, in other words not making outs, with how many runs you contribute to as a percentage of your plate appearances. After all, runs are the name of the game. If you are not making outs and scoring or driving in runs at a higher relative pace than average, you are doing a lot for your offense.
March 28, 2025 at 2:58 pm #278201He needs to stay healthy and make consistent contact, those comps to Ohtani and Soto are just nonsense, but potentially he can be a very productive player. He also is on a cheap deal and only 27. Not someone they should be looking to trade but to keep developing
March 29, 2025 at 4:22 pm #278291
jj-cf-stlParticipantI’m announcing a buy early alert on Nootbaar stock. We have the comparable IsoD trend that led to Carpenters’ breackout. This selectivity suggests the optimizing of Lars future slg% w/elevated growth potential. Strong Buy.
March 30, 2025 at 12:23 pm #278337You are correct JJ unless/when he sneezes and cracks a rib.
March 30, 2025 at 2:21 pm #278372He gets on base. A lot.
Needs to stay healthy. Tremendous value IF he stays healthy.
March 30, 2025 at 3:28 pm #278384
jj-cf-stlParticipantNootbaar is very similar to Donovan in PA’s / service time.
Lars is averaging 2.34 PA’s per service day, Donny is averaging 2.54
DL time acquires service days also, so “availability” is baked in above.
April 2, 2025 at 4:00 pm #278610Two series in the books and Noot has done an incredible job of setting the table for an improved Cardinal offense.
Fingers crossed he stays healthy.
April 16, 2025 at 7:02 pm #279676April 16th and Noot hanging with a .422 OBP. Stay healthy, Noot! You get on base. A lot!
April 16, 2025 at 7:17 pm #279678Yeah, he’s doing good.
April 16, 2025 at 7:27 pm #279679I know the numbers 1TD likes. Ribeyes (RBIs) and Rutabugas (Runs). Noot’s team standings in those
12 Rutabugas – 1st on the team
10 Ribeyes – tied 2nd on the teamApril 16, 2025 at 7:37 pm #279681Yeah, those look good, Albert. He’s been a player with a gift for reaching base and he always brings a nice mitt to the OF. Let’s hope he can continue to fill that lead-off role and stay healthy enough to appear in enough games to possibly come close to crossing HP 90 to 100 times.
April 26, 2025 at 4:50 pm #280491So, Nootbaar now has the lead for leadoff walks in March/April.
April 27, 2025 at 6:09 pm #280538.272/.409/.427/.836
17 RBI 18 Runs ScoredOne could make the case he’s the best leadoff man in baseball to-date this season.
April 27, 2025 at 6:17 pm #280540Those 18 runs scored are the outstanding number. I know a lot of emphasis is placed on OBP for a lead-off hitter, but in my view, OBP doesn’t mean a thing if that lead-off guy isn’t crossing HP.
April 27, 2025 at 8:45 pm #280544Well one thing is certain…IF the leadoff man doesn’t get on base, he’s definitely not crossing home plate!
And what you say isn’t entirely accurate….as a hitter can get on base, not score, but his getting on base could lead to others scoring.
April 27, 2025 at 9:17 pm #280547I love Nootbaar as a player, but I think that guy Ohtani is a better hitter than Nootbaar and he also is a lead off batter. You could argue Ohtani isn’t a typical lead off. Corbin Carroll is a more typical leadoff hitter and I would take him. Those are just off the top of my head as many teams out their best hitter leadoff now to get the most PAs
April 27, 2025 at 11:29 pm #280550Rickey, Lou, Pete, Tim and Ichi were my ideas of the prototype lead-off hitter. And I’ll throw in Vince just so’s there’s two Redbirds on my list…When those guys reached 1B, it was already 1-0…
April 28, 2025 at 5:02 pm #280595Well, Noot has to stay healthy…
But….
On pace to score 104 runs this season. And that’s with the slow Contreras start.
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