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  • #190853
    bccran
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    The BA mid season Top 100 Prospect list just came out –

    #8 – Walker
    #36 – Liberatore
    #67 – Winn
    #75 – Burleson
    #76 – Graceffo
    #90 – Herrera
    #95 – Hence

    Have you ever seen 7 Cardinals on a Top 100 list?

    #190905
    mudville
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    That 2020 draft was one for the ages, Walker, Winn, Burleson, and Hence, all in the Top 100, plus up-and-coming LJ Jones, and the still promising (IMHO) Ian Bedell.

    #190906
    PugsleyAddams
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    Winn and Libby should switch spots on this list.

    #190910
    stlcard25
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    Maybe around 2012 or 2013 the Cards had something similar? But not any other time that I can think of in recent memory. Not only that, but several of those guys have some helium and could be a fair bit higher by the spring.

    #190915
    CardsFanInChiTown
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    Great to see that, thanks for sharing. Why are they limiting Hence so much? Even ramping up 5-10 pitches per outing would seem to be a normal “ramp up”.

    #190927
    blingboy
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    Maybe we should keep Gomez in mind also.

    #190932
    Brian Walton
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    bccran asked:

    Have you ever seen 7 Cardinals on a Top 100 list?

    Yes.

    I don’t track in-season changes but in the off-season rankings, the most recent time was 2018 when John Sickels had seven Cards in the top 100 and nine in his top 104.

    26 Alex Reyes
    50 Jack Flaherty
    71 Carson Kelly
    85 Andrew Knizner
    92 Harrison Bader
    97 Tyler O’Neill
    99 Adolis Garcia

    102 Yairo Munoz
    104 Dakota Hudson

    #190941
    14NyquisT
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    I’ll bet a lot of Card fans were excited about that ’18 list. Only Knizner is on our active list now. Not very surprising to me as. Let’s see how our ’22 prospects turn out four years from now. I’ll get back here in ’26 to go over the ’22 list.

    How many do you feel will still be on the Card’s active list 7/12/26?

    #190946
    Brian Walton
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    Really hard to predict injuries, but we should also keep in mind that trades of prospects can help the team in other ways. For example, having Goldy over Kelly (plus others) looks pretty good…

    #190951
    bccran
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    Just an opinion, but I would think that Walker, Winn, and Hence are pretty much untouchable.

    #190957
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    14NyquisT

    I’ll bet a lot of Card fans were excited about that ’18 list. Only Knizner is on our active list now. Not very surprising to me as. Let’s see how our ’22 prospects turn out four years from now. I’ll get back here in ’26 to go over the ’22 list.

    How many do you feel will still be on the Card’s active list 7/12/26?

    Of course, Hudson was 104, while O’Neill, Bader, Reyes, and Flaherty are injured.

    Go look at our pre-2018 top 50 list. It is stacked with MLers. I think I counted something like 20-30 that became more than cup of coffee players. It was a crazy deep and talented prospect list.

    The top 15 all became productive major leaguers (other than Knizner maybe) Then, other than Delvin Perez, everyone in the top 30 or so also are in the majors.

    Beyond the top 15 and traded guys like Gallen, Alcantara, Arozarena, and Gomber, we had guys like Carlson, Edman, Voit, Oviedo, Wisdom, Wick, and Woodford.

    #190958
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    McGreevy isn’t even on the new list, and at this point I’d definitely rank GG ahead of him but I do think McGreevy could turn into a very nice mid rotation guy. Maybe a rich mans Hudson? Aka Hudson is Pizza Hut and McGreevy is Lou Malnatis. Gallen and Alcantara turned into Pequads deep dish.

    #190960
    mudville
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    Heres how players in the 2018 ranking were acquired compared to how players in the 2022 ranking were acquired. Wouldn’t that be something if they could pull off another draft like that 2020 draft!

    2018 top 100

    Reyes – signed as free agent in 2012
    Flaherty – 2014 draft
    Carson Kelly – 2012 draft
    Knizner – 2016 draft
    Bader – 2015 draft
    O’Neill – acquired by trade in 2017
    Adolis Garcia – signed as free agent in 2017

    2022 Top 100

    Walker – 2020 draft
    Liberatore – acquired by trade in 2020
    Winn – 2020 draft
    Burleson – 2020 draft
    Graceffo – 2021 draft
    Herrera – signed as free agent in 2018
    Hence – 2020 draft

    2020 draft (players not yet ranked)

    LJ Jones – 2020 draft (Looks like LJ is up and coming.)
    Ian Bedell – 2020 draft (https://www.prospectslive.com/scoutingreports/ian-bedell)

    #191040
    Cardinals27
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    Interesting that prospects like Donovan, Gorman, and Yepez have graduated, but yet are valuable young players who would all be top 100s if eligible.

    #194624
    Cardinals27
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    New top 100 prospects is out:

    Pretty si,Olaf to last list. Although thought Graceffo may have dropped off the current list, but I honestly think he may be tiring after 100 plus innings and jumping all the way to AA.

    7 Walker
    62 Winn
    63 Hence
    72 Burleson
    73 Graceffo
    79 Liberatore
    93 Herrera

    #194639
    Brian Walton
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    Thanks for sharing, C27. Compared to last month, a big jump up for Hence and corresponding big fall for Liberatore.

    #194646
    blingboy
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    Can’t tell anything about Hence yet, too low in the system.

    #194648
    CardsFanInChiTown
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    I don’t disagree with the guys on the list, but the order I’m not sold on. I’d have Herrera right around Winn.

    I agree BB. He’s putting up video game numbers, but how/why he hasn’t ramped up a bit more by August 9th is confusing, and I’ve yet to find an answer.

    #194660
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    I’ve heard a lot of people predict good things for LJ Jones. The stats aren’t that great. What am I missing? To me, the best indicator that a guy is going to “take off” is a good bb/k ratio and that isn’t great. Nor is he “big” as he is listed at just 6’0″. I know he missed time in college due to injury. Hoping you guys are seeing something firsthand.

    #194667
    Brian Walton
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    Others who see big things will have to speak for themselves, but Jones fell off our Cardinals Top 50 last season.

    #194675
    bccran
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    Jones was raved about by his college coach. He’s one of those dark horses who’s hitting either #3 or #4 in one of the full season lineups.

    #194677
    Cardinals27
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    I don’t understand why Hence hasn’t been allowed to ramp up to a higher pitch count? I have read where he has a very high swing and miss rate in all of the low minors.
    By now, he should have had his endurance tested. If and when he pitches more to weak contact, he could be an electric starter. Also, it’s a shame he can’t be seen on Milbtv, as Palm Beach doesn’t have video broadcasts.

    Out of curiosity, I wonder what his ETA might be at best? Late 2024?

    #194689
    14NyquisT
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    If you want to see a fast-tracker….. take a look at Paniagua. I keep a close eye on him.

    #194698
    forsch31
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    I went to a Peoria game a couple of weeks ago. Jones is not very tall but he has a big build. Very solid base and the ball comes off his bat a little harder than most of the A+ hitters. I wasn’t completely impressed but he looked to have the best chance to get to the majors of the Peoria players.

    As a side note, Robert Hassell (top 50 MLB prospect) played for Fort Wayne in that game. He did not impress me all that much. He must be one the people who make the game look easy and is smooth in his play. Nothing he did stood out.

    #194701
    Brian Walton
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    I’ve yet to come across a draft pick whose college coach didn’t rave about him. That has no relevance whatsoever to MLB potential.

    Jones has been the DH in the vast majority of his starts this season, which makes his MLB hill taller. Of course, that doesn’t mean he can’t make it someday.

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